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Cal loads up, across the board. We also know there's a lot of smoke from all the programs Cal has been at. Pitt hasn't gotten anywhere near the boatloads of talent he has brought in.

Taylor been hurt a lot of his career, but it isn't his fault he was so hyped, but he is just a solid big man role player. Birch had a 2 cent head, and rumors are he left for some payday too. It is waaaay to early to talk about Adams. This was the first big game for him against a legit opponent. He still looks lost out there and he'll have to get used the speed of major college ball. It'll take some time. We are only five games into the season and this was the first time he's seen legit big men. Look for the improvement by March. But really, like other sports, the biggest improvement is from year one to two.

Prez

I think you're over reacting here my friend.

Your comparing guys like Dante to cant miss prospects like Davis. First off if you look at Dante. He's not near as athletic or talented as he was hyped. As paco said not his fault.

Paco nailed birch so j have nothing to add there

As far as Adams goes. IMO he has all the athleticism you want but if you watched any of his games last year you could see his game was very raw. He has no back to the basket game at all and will need time to develop. He also is adjusting to the speed and athleticism of the us game. This kid will improve greatly this season as he gains the feel for the game.

Th other problem is he was also over hyped. Not like Dante who lacks physical tools. But people looked at Adams athleticism an predictted one and done. He's not close because he's so raw. Not his fault everyone overhyped him

Now jrob is the real deal

Nick I think you are overreacting. All I said was we continuously get top ranked players who are offensively challenged. I don't know how that can be disputed. I also didn't "talk trash" about anyone. The continued hyperbole when someone expresses a differing opinion is kinda annoying.

Prez. Where did I say you talked trash? Also I was simply countering your opinion with an alternate view. Relax my man.

One other point. BIgs generally don't have refined offensive games coming out of hs. It takes them time to develop their game. If you're using UKs bugs as a point if reference those kids are the exception rather than the rule

almost all big men are offensively challenged as freshman..... they dont need skill in high school because theyre bigger faster stronger and more athletic than everyone they play

Nick you didnt say I talked trash, the poster below your post did. I should have changed paragraphs to show I was talking about two different posters.

If cal had Steven Adams he would be better. If pitino got jj Moore he would be in the NBA. Dixon is a very good college bball coach but kids don't progress offensively. Its team first approach wins a lot of regular season games but doesnt tend to let your offensive game flourish. I think thats what tray Woodall alluded to earlier in the week.

Also Adams ate up Noel on two different occasions last year.

I agree with this but I also agree with prez in that JD a system is a but too restrictive and doesn't allow for a kid to create on his own as much as perhaps you see in cals system. I do think that impacts kids growth and confidence a bit. Hard to say though how much better Adams or JJ would be in different systems that's speculation

Who are...3 people who have never been in my kitchen?

It would be dumb to say players don't improve under Jamie. That's why I didnt say that. Players don't flourish offensively with the exception of sam young. Which, no coincidence was our best team. Chevy troutman outworked opponents his offensive game was minimal.

JRob. May be the most complete player JD has had. The kid is flat out impressive

Kaya

You don't want any of this. I'm 6'7" of twisted steel. After Papp and I rip you a new orifice what hospital would you like us to drop you off at?