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  • steelcurtain55 said...

    You gave me 2 examples.

    I agree with the WVU game even though it was virtually impossible to see who was open downfield if you don't have coaches tape.

    The Syracuse game saw 2 OT's get rented like a cheap suit for 4 quarters. I hope you're not using that game as an example.

    This OL struggled last night in pass protection. I counted twice where the OL had miscues or was just beat and I counted twice where Tino made an error that resulted in a sack. Like I said in a thread last week, if you're going to start blaming sacks on people, it's fair to say that 50% have been on the OL and 50% on Tino. If we reduced our sacks by 50%, we'd be one of the better sacks allowed teams in the country.

    Games we've lost over the past 2 years -

    YSU Cincy 'Cuse 'Ville ND UCONN

    2011 Iowa ND Rutgers Utah Cincy (I don't remember this game for some reason) WVU SMU

    Out of all those losses, I can honestly say Tino's lack of pocket presence probably cost us in only the WVU games. Many of those losses we got handled in different aspects of the game. Utah handled us up front on both sides of the LOS. Rutgers absolutely embarrassed our OL last year. UCONN smashed mouth our front 7 this year. SMU handled our OL, etc etc etc..

    You don't want to blame the OL, but this also an OL that allows 6 TFL per game in the run game which is like 76th in the country. It's not like we've faced a ton talented front 7's this year. If one can't be fair in evaluating the entire offensive unit, they probably should give blame on anything.

    Total BS. The Cincy game last year, Sunseri fumbled deep in our territory and cost us the game. We led 23-20 at the time, if i recall...and lost 26-23.

    Bottom line in the Cuse game - if Tino doesnt take the sack - Pitt doesn't lose.

    The Neers game from 2010 - Tino's first pass was an INT. One of the worst passes I've ever seen. Momentum was gone right away that resulted in a 35-10 Neers romp.

    The 2009 NC state game - Sunseri throws the ball about 40 yards above the guy's head on 4th down. Pitt loses.

    The 2011 RU game, Sunseri and Anderson threw that game away. Some of the worst passes I've seen.

    This post was edited by curtismartinfan on 12/2/2012 at 1:10 PM

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  • rfalcone said...

    Tino may get a camp invite but that would mean next to nothing. Every team has to bring in atleast one QB for no other reason than to be camp fodder.

    How about All League QB's w/ regards to context..

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  • steelcurtain55 said...

    How about All League QB's w/ regards to context..

    With regards to camp QB's.. There are oodles of guys who aren't recent college QB's who are in camp as well. The Troy Smith's, Dennis Dixon's, etc are always wondering around as FA's who always seem to be him camps.

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  • steelcurtain55 said...

    How about All League QB's w/ regards to context..

    I don't think all "all-league" QB's are equal. Being all-league in an 8-team BE this season is not impressive but I do think he'll get a sniff from the NFL.

    As I said before though, while its a mild accomplishment which will net him an NFL helmet for his future gameroom, he has absolutely zero shot at ever playing in a regular season game and will more than likely never get a snap in even a preseason game.

    I think I understand what you are saying though. Some people are saying rediculous things like "Tino is a DII QB!" Well, DII QB's don't get all conference nods, regardless of conference and DII QB's don't get signed to NFL camps. Tino has nothing to apologize to anyone for. He was a 3-year starter for a BCS-level college football program and will have a winning record. Folks can debate the stats but atleast his stats are debatable. If I ever meet him in person, I'd be happy to shake his hand and thank him for the effort. The kid deserves respect IMO.

    rfalcone

  • curtismartinfan said...

    Total BS. The Cincy game last year, Sunseri fumbled deep in our territory and cost us the game. We led 23-20 at the time, if i recall...and lost 26-23.

    Bottom line in the Cuse game - if Tino doesnt take the sack - Pitt doesn't lose.

    The Neers game from 2010 - Tino's first pass was an INT. One of the worst passes I've ever seen. Momentum was gone right away that resulted in a 35-10 Neers romp.

    The 2009 NC state game - Sunseri throws the ball about 40 yards above the guy's head on 4th down. Pitt loses.

    The 2011 RU game, Sunseri and Anderson threw that game away. Some of the worst passes I've seen.

    You truly have no clue what you are talking about? The 35-10 game against WVU solely on Tino? Are you serious? The Cuse game this year where he was kidding blindsided, and hit as soon as he dropped back? The 2009 NC State game?????? THAT WAS BILL STULL YOU MORON.

    Curtismartinfail of the century.

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  • pitthoops129 said...

    You truly have no clue what you are talking about? The 35-10 game against WVU solely on Tino? Are you serious? The Cuse game this year where he was kidding blindsided, and hit as soon as he dropped back? The 2009 NC State game?????? THAT WAS BILL STULL YOU MORON.

    Curtismartinfail of the century.

    Who tripled clutched at halftime and literally burned all the remaining time on the clock...was that then Cincy game this yr? I cant recall....Sunseri stunk face it.

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  • rfalcone said...

    I don't think all "all-league" QB's are equal. Being all-league in an 8-team BE this season is not impressive but I do think he'll get a sniff from the NFL.

    As I said before though, while its a mild accomplishment which will net him an NFL helmet for his future gameroom, he has absolutely zero shot at ever playing in a regular season game and will more than likely never get a snap in even a preseason game.

    I think I understand what you are saying though. Some people are saying rediculous things like "Tino is a DII QB!" Well, DII QB's don't get all conference nods, regardless of conference and DII QB's don't get signed to NFL camps. Tino has nothing to apologize to anyone for. He was a 3-year starter for a BCS-level college football program and will have a winning record. Folks can debate the stats but atleast his stats are debatable. If I ever meet him in person, I'd be happy to shake his hand and thank him for the effort. The kid deserves respect IMO.

    I'm with you on this. For way too many PITT fans a kid either has to be a star or he's not worth anything.

    The "Div II QB" statements really make me scratch my head. There are a lot of Div I teams who would have welcomed Sunseri's 2013 play and production.

    Again, what some PITT fans can't grasp is that while Sunseri isn't a 'star' DI QB he's still certainty worthy of being on a DI roster and playing D1 football.

    This post was edited by rkohberger on 12/2/2012 at 2:34 PM

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  • This is the point I'm trying to make that was illustrated fairly well above. To say he sucks and is D2 QB is just laughable. Like I said, I would never use even the 2012 Tino Sunseri as the barometer for the QB we should use as the barometer. However, I would use the 2012 Tino Sunseri as the prototype for what you want out of a QB with limitations at both the QB and OL play.

    CMART - thanks for the NC State and WVU laughs in 09 and '10.

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  • rkohberger said...

    I'm with you on this. For way too many PITT fans a kid either has to be a star or he's not worth anything.

    The "Div II QB" statements really make me scratch my head. There are a lot of Div I teams who would have welcomed Sunseri's 2013 play and production.

    Again, what some PITT fans can't grasp is that while Sunseri isn't a 'star' DI QB he's still certainty worthy of being on a DI roster and playing D1 football.

    lets put it this way....Sugar Ray ranks #2 at Pitt all-time in rushing...was he truly the 2nd best back at Pitt? No I dont think so but Pittsburghers still will remember him as one of the great ones.

    Sunseri will probably end up #2 all-time in Pitt passing....was he truly the 2nd best QB in Pitt history? Hell no. Pittsburghers wouldn't even put him in the top 10.

    If you play long enough, you can get the stats but some stats come from greatness...while others...just attempts.

    This post was edited by curtismartinfan on 12/2/2012 at 3:03 PM

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  • Not in the top ten? Sunseri doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the top anything of all-time Pitt football players.

    I think this sums it up .. i stole yet another comment from TOS:

    "My doctor said I should be okay once Tino graduates~

    Seriously ….. how did they get a 50 year old man in Tino’s body? He may be the least athletic QB I have ever seen! I challenge him to a 40 yard dash."

    thank you 9nationalchampionships -- i could not have said it any better

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  • Tino might have a shot at WV in a bowl brawl game. If he loses that game then i could see most of his apologists turning on him .. and at the very least .. they won't be able to stand up to the criticism any longer. If he wins the game then he'll be loved and forgiven and the numerous bonehead plays throughout his career will be warmly remembered.

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  • Tino has absolutely zero future in the NFL. He'll never sniff a practice squad and it's preposterous to even discuss it.

    He stinks and he's small. Basically, he's got nothing the NFL is interested in.

    GibsoniaPanther

  • GibsoniaPanther said...

    Tino has absolutely zero future in the NFL. He'll never sniff a practice squad and it's preposterous to even discuss it.

    He stinks and he's small. Basically, he's got nothing the NFL is interested in.

    Exactly Gibsonia. There are some "Pitt fans" who accept crap....lets face it...some of these are the same folks who think Stevie P is a good AD.

    Its unreal.

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  • GibsoniaPanther said...

    Tino has absolutely zero future in the NFL. He'll never sniff a practice squad and it's preposterous to even discuss it.

    He stinks and he's small. Basically, he's got nothing the NFL is interested in.

    Who said he might make a practice squad? Who is smoking that gooood stuff!? If we go to NYC then i might need me some of that gewwwd stuff.

    Yeah .. Tino has zero that can translate to the NFL. He does have a future in hollywood with that bad A limp of his. He could be an extra in a remake of Platoon n'at.

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  • rkohberger said...

    Unless my math is off or the Internets is mistaken Tino Sunseri (8,405 yds) has moved past Tyler Palko (8,343 yds) into the #3 spot and trails Dan Marino (8,597 yds) in the All-Time Passing Yardage spot by 192 yards.

    No one is going to touch Alex Van Pelt at the #1 spot with 11,267 yards.

    In addition, with no INTs last night, Sunseri threw two INTs in 361 pass attempts for an astronomical 0.005 % rate. His INT:TD ratio this season is 0.105% - basically one INT for every 10 TDs.

    In Russel Wilson's great SR year at Wisconsin he had a 0.012% INT rate. His INT:TD ratio was 0.121%

    All kidding aside and as we know stats are just that, Tino Sunseri does deserve to be recognized for his production both this year and over his full career.

    We get it. You will be playing the stat card here on into next year and beyond all because of your man crush on Tino. This just in the rest of the Pitt nation is glad his tenure is almost over.0-12 when Pitt is behind at half. The master of the self induced 30 yard sack. God you need to give up the stat bs

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  • waltspappy said...

    ^^Another great point Reed. Either for the good or bad. Tino was durable. He definitely deserves credit for being there and improving this year.

    I thought I saw PC yelling at Tino during the game on the sidelines.

    Yeh Tino managed a 30 yard sack.. Just a little reminder of everything we loathed in tino

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  • There is a reason why some people .. some talking points .. some topics .. are lightning rods.

    It's not for nothing that Tino draws this much negative attention. Sure .. many things factor in on why a team loses. But he's a big reason why.

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  • Pitt0008mmd said...

    There is a reason why some people .. some talking points .. some topics .. are lightning rods.

    It's not for nothing that Tino draws this much negative attention. Sure .. many things factor in on why a team loses. But he's a big reason why.

    Every single QB at PITT since Pistol Pete's 1997 season has garnered more negative attention than positive.

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  • If you want to claim making third team all big east in a conference with crappy QBs is some great accomplishment, the I guess the standards are pretty low.

    Also as GIbby said, Tino has not chance of sniffing a practice squad.. zero. He may get signed at some point to be a warm body to throw passes as most teams do but thats it. I think thats even a long shot.

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  • BigNick80 said...

    If you want to claim making third team all big east in a conference with crappy QBs is some great accomplishment, the I guess the standards are pretty low.

    Also as GIbby said, Tino has not chance of sniffing a practice squad.. zero. He may get signed at some point to be a warm body to throw passes as most teams do but thats it. I think thats even a long shot.

    I foresee arena league in this kids future, confusing says. Tank shoo very muuch.

    waltspappy

  • BigNick80 said...

    If you want to claim making third team all big east in a conference with crappy QBs is some great accomplishment, the I guess the standards are pretty low.

    Also as GIbby said, Tino has not chance of sniffing a practice squad.. zero. He may get signed at some point to be a warm body to throw passes as most teams do but thats it. I think thats even a long shot.

    There are no 3rd team players. Nassib and Bridgewater are locks to getting inked to an NFL deal.

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  • well Since Bridgewater and Nassib have first and second team locked up Tino doesnt have a snowballs chance at being an all league QB.............nor will he be on a practice squad......

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  • We can simplify this.

    Tino: not a great QB. Learned to avoid making mistakes, which made stats look reasonable, though the stats suffer from serious selection problems. Divisiveness made interpretation of ambiguous stats a bit more contentious than usual.

    I look forward to seeing the next QB. We have little reason to jeer Tino, but we have little reason to cheer him.

    shruggs

  • The above post is a very good reflection of my thoughts.

    The int stat doesn't do much for me because he never, ever threw a ball into even remote coverage.

    But, he certainly played well enough to win 8 games with a flawed team. And he certainly was durable.

    I am excited to see someone new.

    I am excited

    Wh4p

  • shruggs said...

    We can simplify this.

    Tino: not a great QB. Learned to avoid making mistakes, which made stats look reasonable, though the stats suffer from serious selection problems. Divisiveness made interpretation of ambiguous stats a bit more contentious than usual.

    I look forward to seeing the next QB. We have little reason to jeer Tino, but we have little reason to cheer him.

    i think this is accurate perhaps if he were more of a standup guy his shortcomings would be more tolerable.

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