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Nick - they would have to start all four years and not miss many games to do it. Had Sunseri been a starter in 2009 and kept his average passing ypg at 244 he'd have topped Van Pelt.

That is a tough thing for any college QB to do and, looking back, I can't remember any QBs who have done so except Marino and Van Pelt. Maybe that kid who played at Texas and is now with the Browns.- Colt McCoy.

But I don't see any of the kids on roster now or being recruited whose going to get a straight four years.

For sure they'd have to start four years but all could do just that.

But again given today's pass happy offenses its not that hard to average 244.

Here's an interesting observation. When will we have a back pass tony ds career yardage stats given how the run game has taken a back seat to the pass game. Moreover there doesn't seem to be the one back that gets all the carries any longer. The point is comparing stats from one era to another is very difficult because the game changes so much.

But I get your point. Tino has had a decent career stats wise

I don't think you'll see AVP or TD's records broke anytime soon. I don't think PC will run a pass happy offense, as his goal will be to have a balanced offense. And as for breaking TD's mark....not a chance with the limited lifetime if an NFL back. The kids will comtinue to leave after 3 yearsa to start the clock on their paychecks.

Do they keep stats on throwing yourself to the ground a yard or two short of the sticks, on 3rd down, in order to avoid contact? My guess is Tino would be #1 by a mile.

This is the epitome of why these stats mean nothing, It would be sacrilege to have his name in front of Marino.

When I posted these Sunseri stats the first time a few posters came back and said "It was a different era in football back then, teams passed less and ran more."

But in reality the facts show that Dan Marino threw more passes per game than Sunseri has yet Sunseri has a higher ypa rate. Sunseri's 7.57 ypa to Marino's 7.14 ypa. Marino beats him out with ypc in 12.4 to 11.7.

Kinda sheds a new light on Sunseri's 'dinking and dunking' only. Marino's completion rate was almost 7 points less than Sunseri's so that shows he hit more deeper passes but overall their completion and attempt rates are comparable.

Forget about TDs and INTs - Marino was like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde with those. He far surpassed Sunseri in TDs - 79 to 47. Then Sunseri turns around and bests Marino in INTs throw in 22 to 69.

I would never have though that coming off Sunseri's 2010 year he'd rack up so many positives statistically speaking.

Thank you Steve Pederson!

I get what you mean about Marino and wholeheartedly agree. Even in front of Palko to a lesser extent.

It is just ironic that for as much heat as Sunseri has taken over the last three years he'll be near the top of the PITT charts.

Defenses have changed Reed. You cant mug receivers like you used to be able to do. It was a much more violent game as well. Its hard to factor in all the differences..

Clearly no one is saying Tino could even hold Mario's jock. If Marino played on the same teams TIno played on in the same era, he'd have had incredible stats. Again it just proves stats dont tell the entire story especially when comparing players from one era to the next.

The game back then was nowhere near as violent as it is today.

Sunseri's stats are meaningless. He's taken more sacks and cost Pitt more critical games than any Pitt QB in modern history.

Lets face it, his last 2 seasons sucked too in terms of Ws.

You are correct Reed, See today's Pitt-USF Day-After Notes

I refuse to argue with you cause all you'll say is it was the OL's fault. Its a dumb argument.

The Cuse game this year...deep in Cuse territory...in FG range...Sunseri takes the critical sack to push us out of FG range and thus lose the game.

The WVU game last year....2 minutes left....sacked repeatedly....and all we needed was to get into FG range.

I could go on and on....but you'll pull the lame OL fault crap WHEN NO....any decent QB gets rid of the rock and lives for another down.

Tino may get a camp invite but that would mean next to nothing. Every team has to bring in atleast one QB for no other reason than to be camp fodder. Thats 30+ kids getting warm-body time in NFL camps. When you throw in programs like Navy and the like that don't pass at all and underclassman, that means that nearly every QB that starts for any meaningful program for any length of time gets fed to the NFL camp gristmill.

Having said all that, his durability is to be respected. He was one tough player for us (physically). His Int rate is also amazing although, I think he's aware of it and consciously taking sacks and avoiding throws to keep it going to the detrement of the offense.

Hey, the kid is frustrating to watch at times but he has also been brilliant at times as well. Only an idiot would continually bash the kid without submitting that he has looked good on occassion. In several games this season he was better than the other teams QB. We could've done worse than to have him as our QB and if Savage doesn't pan out and we're stuck with a freshman, don't be surprised if the position isn't as good next season.