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I love Jamie Dixon

  • Wasn't Jamie also rumored for the Arizona job before Miller finally took it? I thought he was a front runner for the job.

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  • steelcurtain55 said...

    Wasn't Jamie also rumored for the Arizona job before Miller finally took it? I thought he was a front runner for the job.

    I believe he was. But I think Miller has a lot to do with why we as Pitt fans never got too worried with Jamie possibly leaving. If he did take off to another job, I'd feel very confident that Miller would come to Pitt in a heartbeat. Just another area where the football and basketball programs are very different.

    rys1324

  • steelcurtain55 said...

    Wasn't Jamie also rumored for the Arizona job before Miller finally took it? I thought he was a front runner for the job.

    I don't know how serious the interest actually was, but Dixon was definitely desired by a lot of their fans. I am almost certain he was contacted about the position.

    ski11585

  • steelcurtain55 said...

    Maryland has really has no better tradition than PITT? Are you serious? They have doubled us up on sweet 16's, elite 8's, final fours, and national championships.. And, this is relevant history as well. Anyone who considers supremacy in college basketball before the black athlete was introduced has a distorted view of history. I'd love to see a poll ran by any major media outlet that features guys who've covered the sport on top what the national coaches former players think on tradition....

    How about NBA/ABA success?

    In terms of student sections, PITT has had a loyal base for how long - 10 years? Maryland has been routinely known for having one of the best home court advantages for 30-40 years. Look at how average MD has been since 2004 and look at their attendance #'s, they're routinely in the top 10. Coach K routinely says playing at Maryland is the toughest place to play in the country. I'm not dissing PITT's home court advantage because I know it's awesome. I just happen to know that Maryland has done it for a lot longer.

    Have you've been to the Comcast Center? I've been there and I have no problem saying it is nicer and that is saying something because the Pete is nice. The space seems to have been used better for whatever reason. Not to mention you can actually find decent parking nearby.

    Yes, I am serious. Read what I actually said first...

    "But outside their 2001/2002 runs, after which they practically disappeared, they really don't have more tradition than Pitt and they certainly are not as consistent of a program."

    Pre-tournament MNC: Pitt 2; Maryland 0
    NCAA titles: UMD 1 (including 2002); Pitt 0
    NCAA Final 4s: UMD 2, Pitt 1 (2001 & 02 included for UMD)
    Elite 8: UMD 5; Pitt 3....again 2001 & 2002 included
    Sweet 16: UMD 13, Pitt 7....again 2001 & 2002 included
    Tournament appearances: UMD: 24; Pitt: 23....again 2001 & 2002 included
    Tournament Champions: UMD ACC titles 3 (since 1954); Pitt BE titles 2 (since 1983)
    Conference Regular Season titles: UMD ACC 5 (since 1954); Pitt BE 6 (since 1983)
    National College Player of the Year:: UMD 1; Pitt 1
    1st Team All-American selections: UMD 8; Pitt 15
    NBA draft picks: UMD 33; Pitt 26 (5 players taken from those 2001/02 teams)

    So yes, outside of 2001/2002, their histories are almost identical. Arguably, Pitt is essentially behind by one national championship.

    And I always find decent parking at the Pete because I have a parking pass. I still think the Pete is nicer, but that is my opinion.

    And while you may be right about Pitt's facilities being overrated inside the 412, the football facilities at Pitt are decidedly nicer than Maryland's. UMD simply doesn't have certain things, like the aforementioned indoor facility.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by CrazyPaco on 12/5/2012 at 10:45 PM

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  • steelcurtain55 said...

    By the way, I like the Pete's bells and whistles better than MD's. I just like the layout of the facility better of the latter.

    That's fair. Kids are into bells and whistles though.

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  • Seems pretty naive to me to compare 2 programs' histories and say, "If you take away their best years, they're about the same." Those 2 years mean more than any of the other facts. Do you really think there are a lot of WVU fans out there that find comfort in being the winningest program w/o a national championship? Take away 2006 and 2007 and Pitt is probably a superior program to Florida. Think that means anything to a recruit looking up at those banners in Gainesville?

    This post was edited by rys1324 on 12/5/2012 at 10:56 PM

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  • Maryland is 38-24 in the NCAA tourney.

    PITT is 23-24..

    That's a fairly big difference.

    Maryland has had 54 draft picks not 33. That's a big difference.

    Maryland has 17 first round draft picks, PITT has 5. That's a big difference.

    Maryland has 11 top 10 picks, PITT has 2. That's a big difference.

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  • steelcurtain55 said...

    Go and check attendance #'s for the last 10 years. They've had some awfully average seasons and they've consistently been in the top 10.

    2012 - 22 2011 - 14 2010 - 7 2009 - 7 2008 - 6 2007 - 8 2006 - 6 2005 - 6 2004 - 5 2003 - 5

    They've been a top 10 team (8.6avg) for the past 10 years. That's insane for how average they've been. Go back and look at all of those top 10 attendance leaders during that time frame, outside of New Mexico, almost everyone has had incredible basketball success during that time unlike Maryland. To me that shows an incredibly loyal fanbase.

    PITT's facilities are seriously overblown. The reason their hyped up is because how bad they were before. But, they don't compare to the heavyweights. They are super nice and they don't hurt us in recruiting like they once did, but they are way overblown in the 412.

    Outside of having a more steady fanbase, they're located in one of the top 5 traditional hotbeds in the country. WPA probably doesn't make the top 50.

    They have a big facility which allows them to be in the top ten.

    They're located in a top 5 traditional hotbed and yet they're still mediocre. Location means very little in basketball and there are countless examples that show this.

    Pitt spends on basketball. They spent a million more on basketball than Maryland last year. I just don't believe it was a better job, maybe a lateral move.

    We can agree to disagree.

    GibsoniaPanther

  • steelcurtain55 said...

    Maryland is 38-24 in the NCAA tourney.

    PITT is 23-24..

    That's a fairly big difference.

    Maryland has had 54 draft picks not 33. That's a big difference.

    Maryland has 17 first round draft picks, PITT has 5. That's a big difference.

    Maryland has 11 top 10 picks, PITT has 2. That's a big difference.

    10 of those wins came in 2001 & 2002, so again, with my qualifier, that is 28-23.

    You are right about the draft picks. My number for UMD was wrong.

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  • GibsoniaPanther said...

    They have a big facility which allows them to be in the top ten.

    The big facility doesn't really explain why they're able to get people in it.

    If that were the case PSU would do well w/ attendance.

    St. John's would do better than 11k at MSG (19k)..

    Plenty of arenas are big, the product and tradition is what gets them in the door.

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