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"We’re fathers,” Vanderlinden told ABC News in November, referring to himself and colleagues. “We could not have lived with ourselves for nine years having known something like that.”

But Spanier, Curley, Schultz, Paterno and McQueary (both father and son) could...

Not sure you are paying much attention. I think PSU got another highly touted player today.

Typical PSU outlook on things...

I agree PSU is not even close to out of the woods yet. The storm yet to come regarding the Curley, Shultz perjury case as well as what seems the inevitable charges against Spanier, coupled with the Freeh report, it will be a loooooong year for Penn State.

The outcome I suspect will be more folks going to jail, negative media coverage, a stigma regarding the University for a long time and substantial dollars paid out in civil cases. I do not believe there will be an NCAA hammer. We can discuss the "rightness" of the rules but the NCAA does not have rules regarding criminal cases unless the criminal activity somehow benefits the athletics, in other words gives a competitive advantage.

This is the first I've ever heard this.

Actually have an article speculating this or simply that it sounded good to write?

Curley, Shultz and Spanier spilling the beans years ago (as they should have), I think would have been advantage neutral. I believe had they pressed the issue with authorities (edit: bringing JS to justice) that the issue would have been about JS and less so Penn State. The media coverage would have been about JS, not the non reporting. On the field things wouldn't have changed, the coaches reported up the chain of command and COC took it to authorites. Could a recruit reconsider? Perhaps but doubtful if it was about JS.

To your point regarding the pristine image, had Curley, Shultz and Spanier done the right thing the image would not have taken the hit that it has over the last 7 months.

I agree that the NCAA will have a hard time with what to do in this situation. Writing some bylaws may be in order. Making them retroactive? Not so sure about that.

...A victim said that Tom Bradley saw the Jerry Sandusky was showering with a kid and stayed around so that the two weren't alone....

I don't think that gives you a right to imply that Bradley "knew" a "sexual problem." Listen, you should never shower with kids. But when I was a kid, I showered with my dad and other men at the YMCA, the local public pool/park, the beach, and the waterpark. And I'm only 26, that would have been 15 years ago, not 50. It wouldn't have been a "warning" sign to me at least to report this activity. I'd probably have told another man in this situation after the fact "listen, you should not be showering with kids ever. It isn't 1980 anymore."

I hope that justice is served, and that anyone who covered this up is given the book and then some. I also hope that this doesn't turn into a witchhunt, where everyone who may have heard a presumed unfounded rumor, or saw Sandusky showering, loses their jobs. You obviously aren't a fan of anything Penn State, but there are enough victims. No need to create more by ruining innocent people's careers.

What has it done to what or who? The University, the football program or the alumni? Are you referring from an NCAA perspective or as life goes on perspective. I'll answer the latter.

University, as noted above if the 3 stooges had reported as they should have the school would have moved on without much of a hit. Now? Certainly the name/brand has taken a hit. I'm not sure where application and freshmen enrollment are but I assume it has been effected. One can't turn on the TV or radio without hearing at least once that bad things occurred at PSU. Who knows how much of the endowment will get hit with the multitude of civil suits. We older alumni won't be effected as much from an employer looking at a resume with a PSU degree, our employable opportunities have more to do with our body of work since we graduated. But the recent grads could have issues. Although the education hasn't changed the perspective from some has. It's a tough market out there and each grad from any school needs an edge, not demerits.

Football program. Time will tell if the turnover there will be an issue in the near term or long term. With any massive coaching changes there will be transition issues. I thought it would greatly effect recruiting and I have been shocked with the teams recent success. I was not a huge fan of the BO'B hire but I must admit he has won me over and has made some good early decisions. He hasn't yet coached a game so who knows what kind of game day coach he proves to be. The effects of Athletic Department turnover will also take time to determine the downside. As there should be a lot of administrative turnover has taken place.

Alumni, I can only speak for myself. It has been a terrible 8 months for me. I hope JS burns in hell for the pain he caused the victims, the university and the alumni. There have been folks supportive of the alumni and some not so charitable. Some who state that since I went to PSU 26 years ago certainly I am a pedophile or at least condone pedophilia as if there is a pedophilia 101 required coarse. It defies logic but the issue is so polarizing that some folks respond illogically.

I'm not sure if I answered the question you intended.