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Reed, I was going to post something associated with this in the next day or so. Well not Tino specific, but how college football's offensive numbers are on steroids. Look at just last week. Landry Jones passed for 554 yards and 6TD's. Tavon Austin rushed for 344 yards and had almost 600 yards himself in total offense. Mike Glennon of NC State had over 500 yards passing and 5TD's. Tahj Boyd had 425 yards passing for Clemson. That game contained a 500 yard passer, a 400 yard passer, 4 100 yard rushers, 1 200 yard receiver and 4 100 yard receiver. IN ONE GAME! And here's the deal...no one even blinks at this anymore.

That is just two games from one week. We have seen numbers like this all the time. It is getting more and more outrageous each year. Even the SEC puts up points now. LSU gave up 35 to Ole Miss at home, and won because they score 42. Again, same week.

And this is not even looking at the WVU/Baylor game. I am in a College Fantasy Football League. I have Geno Smith, Nick Flanagan (Baylor) as my QB's. Stedman Bailey as one of my WR's. Some WAC RB's who put up mad numbers each week. So I follow these stats more closely than I used to. It is mindboggling.

So now the preemptive Tino strike. Please don't talk about how underrated he was based on the numbers. Willie Stargell never hit 50 HR's, Brady Anderson did.

When Pitt finally changes back to the script and our real colors, I'm gonna mothball my Palko throwback jersey and start wearing a Tino "throwback" jersey just to piss everyone off.

I've always stood behind the fact that QB rating in college is overhyped when determining if a QB is talented or not. But, it's hard to justify that a guy is playing "bad" when his rating is good.

One thing DW said when looking at coaches tape when determining how good a QB is looking at TD's vs Int's. It sounds really simple but it's the truth.

I judge a QB by a few things in terms of how good/bad he is..

1. How do DC's defend him?

2. How is the offense constructed with regards to his ability?

3. Production.

4. Talent around him.

Of course they are worthless... unless you use them to show how great Palko and Marino were. Then they mean something.

Again - just fun with numbers.

Sorry .. i just found it absolutely hilarious that Steel is talking about DW's QB evaluation methods. haha

What's wrong with "that" assessment? He doesn't buy into the hype of yardage. 90% of the DC's out there will be in agreement with his assessment.

Most QB's who have ice in their veins typically put up great TD to INT #'s. Which leads to great efficiency in the red zone.

On the TOS I asked a simple question. In crunch time, was there more than one time where Tino wasn't getting hit in and around 3 seconds in the ND game.

I also think QB's who get hit early a ton often struggle with seeing and feeling the rush and it kills their development. Tino is an example of this but you often see it in the NFL. David Carr is a great example. Big Ben's development has suffered to an extent because of this as well. Ben has more talent in his pinky than Tino but like Tino, Ben has a bad habit of holding onto the ball and I believe it's been in part due to being hit a ton as a young player. These guys often struggle to process information fast enough to hit the open guy in crunch situations.

For some reason, this didn't go threw. But I posted that both the collegiate and pro QB rating systems are too skewed with interception and completion % as too high of factors both positive and negative.

If you throw the ball downfield, you are going to have a lower completion rate and higher interception rate. Also, those meaningless hail mary interceptions factor into it as much as a drive killing interception. But here is where I have a real problem with it.

Here's the scenario. You are down 31-27. There is 2:59 left. You have the ball 3rd and 13 on your own 35.
QB A: Throws a 20 yard post pattern that deflects off of the WR's hands and deflects to a safety downfield for an interception. So they get the ball 1st and 10 on their 38.

QB B: Gets happy feet, rush comes, and he dumps the ball off to a RB (ball thrown slightly behind him) who gets tackled for a 2 yard gain. Now you have to punt. And the clock is ticking.

QB B doesn't get nearly as negative rating as QB A, yet what he did was more boneheaded and never had a shot and in the end, likely more damaging to the team's chance of winning. This happens more than you think, and especially with a QB we all know and is fond of his family's foods.

Processing information can absolutely be taught.

Look no further than Tommy Maddox and Kurt Warner. Both struggled in that regard while in the NFL. They were both put in the old arena league where you are forced to sink or swim w/ regards to quick decisions. A few years later through that league, they now were known as guys who could anticipate and make plays in chaotic situations.

If you don't think kids can't learn to process information quickly, you probably never got a chance to see the majority of Walt's QB's up close when they were young.

While Joe Flacco is no Peyton Manning, he is night and day to what he was when he was here with regards to quick thinking.

Is it spring practice yet? Bring on the next victim ... lol

I don't disagree, but it's hard to have a top 10 QB rating and say someone "sucks" no matter how you slice it.

He does.. You have to be pretty special to will a team to victory at the QB position when the talent around you isn't that great. Secondly, using the ND game as an example there was a reason, I said it would have been a bigger upset than the WVU game. The talent they had trumps ours. Just to be in that game and perform the way the boys did for 3.5 quarters is amazing to me.

QB's who can will their team to a victory when the talent around them is average is rare. I think of guys like Cam Newton in the college game and Tim Tebow to be honest. When those guys left you saw the results afterwards.