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  • has pitt in his top 13. His list of schools is frickin impressive

    Shady1

  • He's visiting the 15th.... guess they're looking at more than one RB.

    detroitmike

  • Shady1 said...

    has pitt in his top 13. His list of schools is frickin impressive

    You just know that Chryst and Rudolph are pointing at those three great/good RBs they had at Wisky over the last few years, Ball , Clay and White... and that year where they had three kids go (almost) over 1000 yards apiece.

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    rkohberger

  • detroitmike said...

    He's visiting the 15th.... guess they're looking at more than one RB.

    I guess that was just a rumor. I posted on your board about him the other day so ill toss my pride out the window and apologize for being a smartass

    This post was edited by Shady1 on 7/4/2012 at 8:03 AM

    Shady1

  • rkohberger said...

    You just know that Chryst and Rudolph are pointing at those three great/good RBs they had at Wisky over the last few years, Ball , Clay and White... and that year where they had three kids go (almost) over 1000 yards apiece.

    If a coach has the Oline to make three backs get that kind of yardage, it's better for the kids. I don't think any NFL team is real crazy about drafting a running back that is wore out from taking all the carries for three years any more. Shady was smart, two years and out. You can bet if he would have returned for his third year, Wanny would have wore him out and left Dion and Ray shivering on the bench. Would have taken a years worth of money out of his pocket in the process. Yes, it's very hard to win the Heisman under a multiple back system, but what is that really worth these days?

    ChickenFairy

  • Shady1 said...

    I guess that was just a rumor. I posted on your board about him the other day so ill toss my pride out the window and apologize for being a smartass

    Haha don't worry about it. Clement said they were only going after 1 on here but nowhere else. It was contradictory to Williams putting us in his top 10 and Green saying he was interested. I assumed if they had interest that we didn't back off on them.

    detroitmike

  • TBH, clement is enough but if running backs with derrick green's and david williams' caliber have interest you shouldnt stop recruiting them. Dokish mentioned this on twitter and i agree, its great that pitt can get elite running backs but itd be awesome to get players of the same caliber at other positions.

    Shady1

  • detroitmike said...

    Haha don't worry about it. Clement said they were only going after 1 on here but nowhere else. It was contradictory to Williams putting us in his top 10 and Green saying he was interested. I assumed if they had interest that we didn't back off on them.

    That was on the Scout paysite also.

    rkohberger

  • The main reason Wisky put up those #'s was the lack of talent they faced...

    Defensive Rankings - 2010 Wisky schedule

    UNLV - 109
    San Jose State - 117
    ASU - 57
    Austin Peay - 113
    MSU - 43
    MINN - 76
    OSU - 4
    Iowa - 25
    Purdue - 62
    Indiana - 90
    Michigan - 110
    NW - 97
    Texas Tech - 114

    That is an awful collection of defenses outside of OSU.

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    steelcurtain55

  • steelcurtain55 said...

    The main reason Wisky put up those #'s was the lack of talent they faced...

    Defensive Rankings - 2010 Wisky schedule

    UNLV - 109 San Jose State - 117 ASU - 57 Austin Peay - 113 MSU - 43 MINN - 76 OSU - 4 Iowa - 25 Purdue - 62 Indiana - 90 Michigan - 110 NW - 97 Texas Tech - 114

    That is an awful collection of defenses outside of OSU.

    But, BUt. BUT, they're in the Big 10. They play the bestest of the bestest.

    Can't be true. Just can't.

    Phaser

  • steelcurtain55 said...

    The main reason Wisky put up those #'s was the lack of talent they faced...

    Defensive Rankings - 2010 Wisky schedule

    UNLV - 109
    San Jose State - 117
    ASU - 57
    Austin Peay - 113
    MSU - 43
    MINN - 76
    OSU - 4
    Iowa - 25
    Purdue - 62
    Indiana - 90
    Michigan - 110
    NW - 97
    Texas Tech - 114

    That is an awful collection of defenses outside of OSU.

    Whats your excuse for the other years chryst was there?

    Shady1

  • Back to Green:

    Derrick says Alabama, Pitt, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Clemson, Oregon, and Wisconsin are standing out. He says he is still a tOSU fan but the new offense may not be for him.

    If he says OSU's offense isn't a fit for him, how is Oregon's going to be a fit? I really see Pitt in his final 5 with Bama, Va Tech, Clemson and Wisconsin. I'll keep pulling for him to choose Pitt, but IMO, the depth chart is telling him to choose Va Tech.

    PhPanther1 ●

  • PhPanther1 said...

    Back to Green:

    Derrick says Alabama, Pitt, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Clemson, Oregon, and Wisconsin are standing out. He says he is still a tOSU fan but the new offense may not be for him.

    If he says OSU's offense isn't a fit for him, how is Oregon's going to be a fit? I really see Pitt in his final 5 with Bama, Va Tech, Clemson and Wisconsin. I'll keep pulling for him to choose Pitt, but IMO, the depth chart is telling him to choose Va Tech.

    Wisconsins not in his top 13. As for osu's offense, hes a pro style back. If offensive scheme is a big factor then pitt has a good shot. Im not sure what his decision making process is, so i cant really say.

    Shady1

  • Shady1 said...

    Wisconsins not in his top 13. As for osu's offense, hes a pro style back. If offensive scheme is a big factor then pitt has a good shot. Im not sure what his decision making process is, so i cant really say.

    Clemson runs a spread. Their OC is the guy who was with Graham at Tulsa. They do run the ball but it's not a pro-set....interesting.

    Gregpitt ●

  • Nice of bleacher report to show an old quote with schools not in his top 13. what a garbage site.

    PhPanther1 ●

  • Mike Farrell tweeted his top 13. Could have read it there.

    Green has said its style of play too so any spread teams may be out.

    detroitmike

  • Shady1 said...

    Whats your excuse for the other years chryst was there?

    Did Chryst have any other years where he had 3 - 1k runners?

    2005
    Bowling Green - 65
    Temple - 112
    UNC - 42
    MICH - 36
    IU - 93
    NW - 117
    MINN - 90
    PUR - 100
    Illinois - 115
    PSU - 12 (Scored 14 points)
    Iowa - 67
    Hawaii - 102
    Auburn - 19

    2006
    Bowling Green - 37
    Western Illinois - 76 (1AA)
    SDSU - 73
    UMich - 10 (Scored 13 points)
    Indiana - 109
    NW - 85
    Minn - 113
    Purdue - 114
    Illinois - 33
    PSU - 15 (Scored 13 points)
    Iowa - 68
    Buffalo - 100
    Arkansas - 26

    2007
    WSU - 85
    UNLV - 62
    Citadel - 47 (1AA)
    Iowa - 36
    MSU - 32
    ILL - 55
    PSU - 11 (Scored 7 points)
    UNI - 97
    Indiana - 71
    OSU - 1 (Ran for 12 total yards)
    UMICH - 24
    MINN - 119
    TENN - 70

    Need I go on?

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  • steelcurtain55 said...

    Did Chryst have any other years where he had 3 - 1k runners?

    2005 Bowling Green - 65 Temple - 112 UNC - 42 MICH - 36 IU - 93 NW - 117 MINN - 90 PUR - 100 Illinois - 115 PSU - 12 (Scored 14 points) Iowa - 67 Hawaii - 102 Auburn - 19

    2006 Bowling Green - 37 Western Illinois - 76 (1AA) SDSU - 73 UMich - 10 (Scored 13 points) Indiana - 109 NW - 85 Minn - 113 Purdue - 114 Illinois - 33 PSU - 15 (Scored 13 points) Iowa - 68 Buffalo - 100 Arkansas - 26

    2007 WSU - 85 UNLV - 62 Citadel - 47 (1AA) Iowa - 36 MSU - 32 ILL - 55 PSU - 11 (Scored 7 points) UNI - 97 Indiana - 71 OSU - 1 (Ran for 12 total yards) UMICH - 24 MINN - 119 TENN - 70

    Need I go on?

    I don't think Pitt is joining the SEC anytime soon, so I'm taking this as PC's offense should be able to put up HUGE rushing numbers for his time period here at Pitt. I don't think he is going to see better defenes in the ACC than he would have seen in the B10. Add to it that Pitt's out of conference schedule will have ND on it (very weak defenses for the past 5 years) + 2 cream puffs I'm feeling better about this now.

    PhPanther1 ●

  • steelcurtain55 said...

    Did Chryst have any other years where he had 3 - 1k runners?

    2005
    Bowling Green - 65
    Temple - 112
    UNC - 42
    MICH - 36
    IU - 93
    NW - 117
    MINN - 90
    PUR - 100
    Illinois - 115
    PSU - 12 (Scored 14 points)
    Iowa - 67
    Hawaii - 102
    Auburn - 19

    2006
    Bowling Green - 37
    Western Illinois - 76 (1AA)
    SDSU - 73
    UMich - 10 (Scored 13 points)
    Indiana - 109
    NW - 85
    Minn - 113
    Purdue - 114
    Illinois - 33
    PSU - 15 (Scored 13 points)
    Iowa - 68
    Buffalo - 100
    Arkansas - 26

    2007
    WSU - 85
    UNLV - 62
    Citadel - 47 (1AA)
    Iowa - 36
    MSU - 32
    ILL - 55
    PSU - 11 (Scored 7 points)
    UNI - 97
    Indiana - 71
    OSU - 1 (Ran for 12 total yards)
    UMICH - 24
    MINN - 119
    TENN - 70

    Need I go on?

    No, but that doesnt mean its not impresdive and his teams still always put up a lot of points. Pitts going to be in the acc where defenses are on par or weaker than the BIG. I dont see your point

    Shady1

  • PhP, sorry i posted the same thing as you but didnt realize you said it first

    Shady1

  • PhPanther1 said...

    I don't think he is going to see better defenes in the ACC than he would have seen in the B10.

    ACC Defenses

    2005
    VT #1
    Miami #4
    NC ST #8
    FSU #14
    BC #16
    Clemson #20
    GT #22

    2006
    VT #1
    Miami #7
    Clemson #13
    UVA #17
    FSU #18
    GT #27

    2007
    VT #4
    Clemson #9
    BC #19
    GT #20
    UVA #23
    Wake #27

    2008
    BC #5
    VT #7
    FSU #15
    Wake #16
    Clemson #18
    GT #25
    Miami #28

    2009
    UNC #6
    VT #12
    Clemson #20
    BC #26
    Miami #29

    2010
    Syracuse #7
    BC #13
    Clemson #19
    Miami #22
    UNC #30

    2011
    FSU #4
    VT #10

    2011 was the only year during Chryst's reign as an OC where the ACC didn't have a great # of defenses.

    I think the ACC will be a big step up in defensive play. Look at the talent the ACC recruits from versus the B10

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    steelcurtain55

  • I think the most accurate way to look at those stats is to figure out how many yards/points his O's racked up per what those defenses gave up on average. Just looking at national rankings can be very deceptive. Those Big 10/ACC rankings can be ver skewed. For example: if all the ACC offenses were poorly ranked than the high rankings of the defenses is more a factor of the conferences style of play.

    That being said, we've been playing defenses similar to what Chryst has faced without having anywhere near the success he has had. If we only have 2 1,000-yard rushers against better ACC defenses I won't be too upset.

    rfalcone

  • The bottom line is that Wisconsin rushed for 3600+ yards last season. 3,600+

    I'll venture to say that PITT has never done that in 100+ years.

    Last season we had 1824; '10 - 2154; '09 - 2344; '08 - 1808; '07 - 1697

    It doesn't matter how good or bad those defenses were,Wisconsin can run the ball and IMO he'll do the same at PITT.

    rkohberger

  • rkohberger said...

    The bottom line is that Wisconsin rushed for 3600+ yards last season. 3,600+

    I'll venture to say that PITT has never done that in 100+ years.

    Last season we had 1824; '10 - 2154; '09 - 2344; '08 - 1808; '07 - 1697

    It doesn't matter how good or bad those defenses were,Wisconsin can run the ball and IMO he'll do the same at PITT.

    If the quality of competition doesn't matter why don't players from the Mountain West, WAC, or MAC have a better shot at winning the Heisman? Why do people take those #'s w/ a grain of salt? It is pretty well known that Big10 hasn't played very good defense for a long time. I started picking up on it when Hall put in the Spread HD offense. Go and look at Larry Johnson's senior year. He put up massive #'s against putrid defenses. He put up over 2k overall. Yet, he never cracked 100 yards against any team ranked in the top 50. TOP 50! Not, top 20 or top 10.. TOP 50! When you line up against the Indiana's, NW's, Purdue's, etc not mention UNLV, UNI, etc you're gonna put up good offensive #'s...

    On those #'s.. I'm reading that Wisky ran for 3,298 last not 3,600+.

    In terms of running the ball, when in the past 5 or 6 past years haven't we been able to run the rock? Ever since Shady showed up, we've been able to run the rock.

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    http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=B&rpt=IA_teamrush&site=org

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    steelcurtain55

  • Also, Wisky had a bit of niche in the Big10 in that they never went to the spread like virtually everyone else did. The rest of the Big 10 got smaller on defense to combat the offenses they were seeing. This transition started slowly w/ Tiller bringing it to the Big 10. You no longer see the Dan Wilkinson's or Jimmy Kennedy's anymore like you did 10-12 years ago. Wisky's big OL could just lean on those defenses and get 4-5 yards a pop. That wouldn't happen like it did against leagues that see more 2 back sets . Now, you could counter w/ GT in the ACC, but GT has a niche offense that no one sees until the week they practice against them. Most triple option teams always rank in the top 10 in rushing every year. It's mainly due to the system they run and the lack of talent they face (Indy's/Mt. West)...

    I thought Wanny would eventually have that same niche in that there are so many defenses across the country getting smaller and faster because of the spread. A pro-style offense is going to have a major advantage in those games.

    This post was edited by steelcurtain55 on 7/5/2012 at 3:42 PM

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