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I think the point is that it's not 3 times out of 100. It's much higher and there are legit conventional reasons as to why.
I've got a pretty good question .. for anyone .. Bob .. whoever has the knowledge.
How common is it for a highly rated recruit (locally hyped .. 4/5-star) to keep Pitt in his top two or three choices and then NOT pick Pitt?
Maybe my memory is horribly selective, but i can't think of many kids who strung us along up until signing day and then went elsewhere. It seems most of the kids who go to Alabama, Ohio St, etc .. the kids who aren't interested in Pitt .. seem to take Pitt off the list way earlier in the process.
I'd be shocked if Pitt gets dissed on friday.
Actually Julio lived closer to Auburn than Tuscaloosa.
I've seen it before, but never with an SEC school or any school that far away. A lot of times local kids, minus Terrelle pryor will keep the local school in the mix out of respect.
That was probably a nice kick in the cajones to those guys.
And it seems like those times when Pitt is "kept in the mix out of respect," everyone is well aware of the odds going against us. There are no delusions on signing day. In those cases, there are no threads dedicated to it. Most of us aren't even paying attention to where the kid goes.
This has a totally different feel. It'd be a huge upset to lose this battle.
Did Notre Dame run Pitt out of its stadium? Of course, Pitt was extremely inconsistent this season, but they also showed they could play with teams, as they have the past several years despite the coaching staffs being in turmoil.
Louisville, at the risk of the fallacy of transitive properties, beat Kentucky 32-14 and Kentucky lost to UGA by five.
So, no, if Pitt was up for the game, I'm not ready to concede that UGA wouldn't run them out of anything, nor would I concede that for Louisville. Rutgers perhaps.
This post was edited by CrazyPaco 16 months ago
Very good response.
We have heard that Rob himself is leaning toward Bama, and that his dad favors Bama. We have also heard that his mom favors Pitt. You say that his mom may be driving the decision, but doesn't he live with his dad?
Terrelle Pryor's mom was in and out of his life until a few months prior to announcing. She wanted OSU. He chose OSU for a variety of reasons, but the biggest was because he wanted to go there.
I just don't see where everyone is saying D'Rob is leaning towards Alabama. He hasn't told anyone that. It's basically speculation due to the fact that after he visited Alabama he was looking at deciding after the visit. But not many mention the fact that he has been to Pitt numerous times over the past 3 years. Would he of even had to take a visit to Pitt to decide if he wanted to go there or not?
There are far more factors at work here than what most people even know and no i'm not getting into them.
Ummm...please don't take this wrong, I mean no disrespect, but Bama has a great track record of putting ANY talent into the NFL. In the last three years, Bama has had 30+ players drafted and /or invited to camp, including 10 first round selections. We only have 9 Seniors this year, yet we have 12 guys that are receiving draft grades, with 6 guys that are considered 1st Round talent by many analysts.
How many years would you have to go back to accumulate those type of numbers at Pitt? 5 years? 10?
We had all world WR Julio Jones go as the number 6 pick overall in 2011, and Atlanta traded their souls to get him. It would be the same way for Rob at Bama. Please do not try to pretend he would get equal exposure at Pitt. He wouldn't, and I think you know it.
No sir, Alabama folks are not at all slow, we know about McCoy, Fitz and Revis and we also know if Rob wants the fast track to the League, it is through Bama. If he chooses Pitt, that would be understandable, and I and most Bama fans will respect his decision, we would just rather see him in Crimson. :-)
One problem is that two of your cons are just rumors and guesses. Ask Amari Cooper how hard it is to play as a true freshman WR, and gain national recognition. Ask Julio the same thing. So with that stated, Foster will have all the opportunity to showcase his talents as a freshman. And as far as all southern schools cheating, well, we won't even go there. But it's unfair for all the undertone in suggesting that Saban cheats, or needs to cheat to succeed. Here's a project: Show me proof of ONE, just ONE major violation incurred by Saban at any head coaching stop in his entire career. I think when it comes down to it, Foster goes to Pitt. It's a great school; both are great schools, and he can't make a bad decision by going to either one. I've read this entire thread, and there has been some nice, civil debates at times, and there have been childish, ignorant remarks made from both sides also. One thing we do know is that this will all be over by the end of the week. I think the hiring of Chryst was damn strong, and believe he will do a fine job. That's all.
Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear.
And this is fine and dandy, but has nothing whatsoever to do with Foster. This is a perfect example of a pissing contest just for someone to say they were the best. Nothing more. And just being curious, wouldn't the best way to determine which conference had the best defenses be to figure out the rank of the offenses they played? And those numbers you posted, were they total defense, or scoring defense? All I care about is points scored.
Nothing dense about what he said. NFL scouts have said how much more prepared players coming from Alabama are right now versus players coming from other schools. It's a fact that Alabama has had more players drafted in the last three years than probably any other school in the country. That holds weight. Alabama will more than likely have 3-5 more drafted in the first round this year, and 5-8 in the first three. It's hard to argue numbers like that. That's not trying to be a smartass, a jerk, or anything else, it's just the facts. Roll Tide man, and best of luck to Foster no matter where he goes.
I like Roberts afro!
Being as I'm most probably the wisest and most level headed poster on this message board, and perhaps in all of the history of message boards, I say Foster will choose PITT.
Why you may ask?
Because Robert Foster is basically a homebody who values constant contact with his family and friends. He is humble and understated - which BTW is a breath of fresh air in college sports.
PITT is the perfect venue for him to play football without disrupting his life drastically. However, he may have a detour to Prep School (I would suggest The Kiski School as they expel even genius students) to have a year of solid work on academics.
So, take it to the bank. Tuscaloosa Alabama is a great place to play football as shown by the Scarlet Wave's winning traditions but it isn't always the best fit for young men. PITT is it.
I really dont want to get into an argument but to say that alabama is the fastest route to the nfl is just not true. if you are good enough nfl scouts will find you and draft you high. See memphis' defensive tackle who was drafted this past year whos name im too lazy to look up.
Alabama does put ridiculous amounts of players in the nfl and obviously pitt is not yet in the same class as them. It will be a long time before they will be if ever. as a pitt fan, i have stated that i have my doubts about foster choosing pitt. nobody could blame him if he chose alabama. All this arguing is pointless anyways but its a little frustrating to see all the alabama fans here (most have been classy, which i respect and, no offense, that caught me off guard) insist that foster is leaning towards them. Pretty much every off field factor favors pitt. his friends on the team, familiarity to the area, location, closeness to family, education (although that doesnt seem to be too important to him lol), etc etc. Besides, pitt has a lot to offer him on the field too like the resurgence of pitt football along side some of his best friends
There doesn't need to be an argument here. Bama is up and PITT, not so much right now.
Our 1980 defense had the entire front 7 start as rookies in the NFL and 10 of the 11 played in the NFL with the 11th playing in the CFL. Plus the other side of the ball had all 5 OL (including the Outland Winner), 2 TEs and both WR's go to the league, plus the QB was a guy named Dan Marino.
We have been mediocre for most of the last 30 years, but something special is brewing at PITT right now. Nobody can argue with our track record for NFL superstars or Hall of Famers either.
Look at the end of the year rankings...still inflated? You don't win 7 NCs in a row as a conference by being over-inflated...that's just being damn good!
I don't think there is any debate with regards to which is the better program. As far as a "fast track" to the NFL goes, I'm not saying Bama isn't one of the best schools at producing NFL talent or anything like that, but if you are good enough, the NFL will find you. It doesn't matter where you go to school. I don't think Foster going to Bama would make much sense to anyone that has followed his recruitment. I can understand the confidence from the Bama fans and actually my best friend is a Bama graduate, we've got a little side bet on this one.
Have you guys ever seen him on twitter interacting with other potential Bama targets? Does he ever have conversations with ANYONE currently on the Bama roster? No? He's got way too many connections in the Pitt program and a bunch of pressure on him to stay home. He is instantly the best playmaker on our team. He's just another guy at Alabama. Not saying he wouldn't play as a freshman there but it's not guaranteed and it is guaranteed here. Couple that with the fact that he may have to prep and also that Pitt has programs in place for students with learning disabilities and I can't see him going down south just because of his academics. I would also be interested to see the number of kids on Bama that are from above the Mason Dixon line. I'm just not sure the SEC has the same allure up north that it does in the South. This is a pro football culture, and as long as you have the talent and more importantly the proper coaching (one of the best WR in PA college football history and 15 year NFL veteran) you can get the NFL from anywhere. Another thing - why would he put it out there that Mom wants Pitt and Dad wants Bama and then self proclaim that he's a "Momma's boy" in the Pittsburgh paper? Am I missing something? I wouldn't blame him one bit for choosing the Tide but it really doesn't seem to add up at this point. The next 36 hours or so will be interesting.
And having your league playing in a BCS game is as laughable as having Northern Illinois play in one. Everyone has jumped ship because the Big East sucks and the only reason Foster might even contemplate Pitt is because of the distance, that is all. Sorry to hurt your feelings, but this choice is like being a free agent in baseball and picking between Kansas City or the Yankees. Saban recruits nationally and takes who he wants.
Welcome to Bama, Robert.
Okay I'm now back in this thread!! Seems I missed alot!
I have a quick point to make. If I were Ribert I would take it as an insult that Pitt fans say he would start from day one and just ride the pine at Bama. So he is good enough to start for Pitt but not Bama? I would make that my 100% motivation to prove everyone wrong.
This is one of the best reponses yet in this thread.
I have read this thread and everyone has made great points. As for the NFL and more importantly life after the NFL, the arms of Pitt are very very long. I am in no way saying Alabama does not have its power brokers either, but as some one who is an executive for a major Fortune 500 company I can assure you the arms of Pitt are very long.
I don't think people are saying that. Without looking, I think Bama has at least 5 or 6 WRs 4 star or above WR commits in the past 2 or 3 recruiting classes. There is naturally going to be more competition, and I'm sure some stud recruits want that. Some also want to play with their friends and be "the man". Bama is going to be in play for every 5 star skill player down south just about every year. Nobody is taking his spot up here. I also believe that none of Bama's leading receivers this year are upperclassmen and will all be returning. I could be wrong about that. Not to mention Pitt threw it about 10 more times/game than Bama did this year (more yards as well, naturally) and that's with a really average quarterback.
Amari Cooper will also be star in the NFL. Just creating a long line of WRs that Foster should join.
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