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Great website where you can look at the AP poll history.
So let's compare the two:
All Time (mind you polling started in 1936). Pitt #27
Since 1980 Pitt # 41
Since 1990 Pitt #54
Since 2002 Pitt #41.
There are 120 schools in D1 football. There are over 300 schools in D1 Basketball.
All Time (started in 1949): Pitt#34
Since 1980: Pitt #18
Since 1990: Pitt #15
Since 2002: Pitt#5
regular season doesn't mean jack. 8 nfl pro football hall of famers...2 national titles since 1936.
This is my favorite of the Dumb Conversations Unique to Pitt Fans.
That AP poll on our football team since 1980 is something... and it takes into account those 11-1 seasons when we were at the top of the charts.
I really wouldn't beat my chest over a national titles no one remembers. And NFL success is irrelevant.
Regular Season? You do know if BB was like football, where it is more of a Dance Contest, and you basically are INVITED into the bowl season, Pitt would be in 2 BCS Champ Games in the last 5 years, because they were a One Seed, if you want to correlate it.
It is not "dumb". I threw the "Hoop School" at the end as an obvious jab. But it puts into perspective that Pitt BB has recently been the A student, that if they get a B, let alone a D on a test, the parents ground them for a month. Their every negative move is scrutinized. While Pitt FB has been that C student, that if he gets an 85 on his test, his parents want to buy him a new car. Just looking how both programs are perceived by Pitt fans.
One can't be good enough, the other can be merely decent and they want to build a statue of a guy.
This post was edited by owtahear 17 months ago
laughable....hall of famers (producing quality pros) and winning national titles (college) is the ultimate measurable stick. anything else is meaningless...like regular season wins and BE tourney titles....nobody cares.
NB: we've done a great job producing quality pros throughout the Steve Pederson era. I THINK IT WAS HIM THAT DID IT HE HELPED REVIS WITH ALL HIS DRILLS AND SUCH
How relevant is that national title today? You think a recruit cares about a title from before they were born? That tradition is great for you old dudes getting hammered at the tailgate, but it is irrelevant as far as current perception of a program.
It's why recruits never talk about the displays of said titles and the wall of Panther greats in the south side facilities. It's also why Todd Graham thought it would be worthless to create those displays.
It's also why "send it in Jerome" isn't a big deal at all. I mean they only played it every 30 seconds on ESPN the entire day of the 25 year anniversary. For the old guys getting hammered at tailgates I guess.
"Send it in, Jerome" was a watershed moment not only for Pitt but also for ESPN. They show it a lot, in part, because it's one of those things that got hot based in large part on ESPN coverage. These days, it would be a great internet meme. It's short and sweet and awesome. It's relevant because ESPN, which is in the business of determining what's relevant more than they are in covering what's relevant, shows it.
None of the 1976 national title season was shown on ESPN, which didn't exist yet.
This post was edited by shruggs 17 months ago
And the gaps are shrinking, which is even worse. I'm 30, and the references I make with undergrads go entirely unnoticed. It started with Adam Sandler references about five years ago. I stopped making them. But now even Will Ferrell references (ANCHORMAN QUOTES PEOPLE I AM TALKING ABOUT COMEDY GOLD HERE) get crickets.
So yeah. 18 year olds. Kids these days. Rock and roll music and newfangled hairdos. It all went downhill when they stopped saying "sir" and "ma'am."
So we won a titles - 76 and 36 years ago and have only won a shade over half of our games in the past 30 years (51%) and that quantifies us as being a football school? And 20 of those years we played in a horrid conference.
Go and ask the football blue bloods who are still relevant today like the Michigan's, Texas', Oklahama's, OSU's, USC's, Alabama's, etc if they think PITT "IS" not "WAS" a football school.
Now go and ask the blue blood basketball schools like the Kentucky's, Syracuse's, Duke's, UNC's, etc if they believe PITT is a basketball school...
I guess you could call PITT a football school but it's like calling Greece a military power...
What do you think will impress Shai McKenzie more, a big picture of TD on the wall of Panther greats or Saban letting him hold the national title trophey they just won?
And as Shruggs pointed out, Send it in Jerome is almost more important because of Raftery and ESPN.
Apples and oranges ski. Neither team has a recent trophy to hand a recruit to hold.
I hate the argument either way. It's stupid.
That 1976 title is now not only before any of the current players were born, it is almost to the point where it is getting close to before their PARENTS were born.
I look at it this way. I was 18 in what, 1985? 38 years before that......it was what, 1947? I could have cared less about any titles or players who played in 1947.
This is a very good point. I deal with the same age group and it is startling the lack of understanding these kids have for the history of pop culture and sports. Culture changes so fast now that teenagers only keep up. It isn't like the 25-35 age group, where we had our 90s shows and movies but could also speak competently about the late-70s and 80s.
Again, people get their panties in an uproar on this subject. It is not meant to do that (okay, maybe it is).
But CMFail and Gibby, I mean look at those results! LOOK AT THEM! You can't deny. And Pitt has thrived in the toughest BB conference overall the last decade, and have shat the bed in the weakest BCS conference.
Why? This area produces ZERO basketball players on this level. A Dejuan Blair once every 25 years now. And he ain't exactly Michael Jordan. While in football, it is not what it once was, but still strong enough to feed a top 25 type of program.
Pitt football can't get out if its own way. I am not saying this as shot, I am as frustrated as anyone on this. I WANT IT TO DO WELL. Yes, I want it to outperform Hoops. I really do. It is best for all concerned. But it just isn't, and according to these numbers (and they don't lie) it is not close.
Why? That should be the debate. Not the tired old "NFL" or National Titles that existed before cable (and some before radio). Why? Why? Why can't people focus on this instead of being so defensive and trying to come up with arguments and refutations that just are completely weak and offbase.
and the nfl hall of famers? college football hall of famers? that gets ignored....of course....cause you know, it doesnt fit the hoops school argument.
Pitt is a hoops school...Cool.
Although, I'm still trying to figure out what this means or why it's even relevant.
It really is the dumbest debate of them all.
Pitt is neither. My only argument is that the chest thumping over the tradition of the football program is misguided.
Damn, you're old.
No wonder you're always so grumpy.
I hope you didn't have a big breakfast.
bottom line is this:
we could be butler and made 2 final fours but it wouldnt matter at the end of the day - why?
b/c its about freakin FOOTBALL....its not about hoops....tv contracts, conference expansion, you name it - is all about FOOTBALL.
once nordy / stevie p are gone...hopefully it will finally sink into Pitt's head...the money needs to be invested in FOOTBALL.
that's what drives the bus. all the hoops success in the world gets you a ticket to the C7 and that's about it. who the hell wants that?
go to providence college if that's your goal in life. geesh.
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