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great job guys.
how do they convince any minority, or underage male, to get within 100 miles of that place?
Just two weeks after Chi Omegas controversial party photo surfaced on Facebook, students at Penn State are planning a silent march today, hoping to increase Latino recruitment and retention.
1) PSU is my alma mater, so if that throws any doubt or screams of 'bias' on the following, so be it.
2) If you don't think the type of stuff that goes on at PSU doesn't happen at nearly every college across the country - including Pitt - then you haven't been on a college campus in a long, long time. Stereotypes are stereotypes - they've been around for awhile, too. Whites can't jump or run, Hispanics are hard workers and do a lot of landscaping, Asians are good at math, etc. This is young kids being stupid, but nothing that would separate them from the millions of other young kids doing similar stupid things.
3) Central-PA, also where I'm from (about 45 minutes from PSU) is predominantly white. I had 4 black dudes in my Senior Class of 200. However, PSU's campus - which is bigger than my hometown and bigger than most towns in PA - is a diversified, melting pot (redundant? perhaps) that is the furthest thing from being declared hostile to minorities. It's not a racial place, it's not some backwoods college, and minorities have nothing to fear from going to PSU.
4) I cannot stand their football team nor the culture that Joe Paterno fostered as coach. There are plenty of things to criticize PSU about, including the obvious, including the hypocrisy of 'success with honor', including the *fact* that football players are still considered godly on campus, and, including the *fact* that their fanbase is the most delusional in the country.
But, implying (if not explicitly saying) that PSU is hostile to minorities or that minorities should fear going to PSU is hyperbole at best and ignorant and mean-spirited at worst. And, most importantly, not true.
Sorry Shandy, I'm also from that area. Grew up in Altoona and spent a lot of time at PSU. The area (Pennsyltucky), not just PSU, has more than its share of racists and racial overtones. Just a couple weeks ago I was driving back to DC from Altoona and saw confederate flags flying outside the city. It's not being flown for southern heritage either. I'm not saying things are perfectly harmonious in Pittsburgh, or heck, even Philly or other cities, but it is way, way more of an issue in rural central PA.
If you want, I can link dozens of stories over the last 10-15 years of all the racial problems at Penn State. You can find confederate flags in the tailgate lots at Beaver Stadium. They have problems, there is no way around this.
I'm not suggesting things like this goofy halloween picture don't happen at a lot of places. This photo was a case of poor judgement and college students that, unbelievably, still don't understand the spotlight on their university, but Penn State is the furthest thing from a melting pot at a major university that I've ever seen in the North or West.
Now that said, do I not think black students should "fear" going to PSU or that they will be harassed. The incidents that make the news, while in greater number than other places, are more of the exception than the rule. But no, I don't think it is a diverse melting pot on par with other schools either. 4.3% black at University Park, the state flagship compared with 11.5% of total SAT takers in Pennsylvania self-identifying as black. Pitt, even though it is significantly more selective in admissions (unfortunately black students have the lowest mean SAT scores in all three subject categories), is better but only at 6.5% so I'm not suggesting it is perfect either.
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Wasn't there a black couple that got into the national news for having to leave a game last year or the year before because they were being harassed by racist fans at "Happy" Valley?
Yes, like I said, there are dozens of articles over the last decade. And these were coming out of one of the most isolated and media restricted institutions in the country.
Fellas, argument by anecdote is both easy to make and very misleading. I'm not denying that racial issues arise at PSU. I'm simply stating that they happen everywhere and, more importantly, at no proven higher rate than they do in State College.
The campus itself - from my *personal experience* - is NOT a racist atmosphere. It's just not, and any assertion otherwise is not factually based. Are there confederate flags flying? Sure. Are there idiots at tailgates and are thise idiots part of the student body? Absolutely. Is it any different from any other northeastern institution? Until I see some proven, pervasive problem, I say no.
Fwiw, PSU - under Graham Spanier - was one if the most liberal institutions among many liberal institutions in America academia. I say that not to disparage conservatives (of which I am one) but to point out that the folks in charge would do and have done everything in their power to placate those who scream 'racist!' at every possible juncture. It's just not an institution run by cavemen.....
In any event, I hate their football team and delusional fan base with a passion. And, any criticism directed *their* way is appropriate and deserved.
PSU has been long known as having serious racial issues. My entire family on wife's side graduated from that place as did my brother. I won't say who the coach was, but my HS QB ended up at Marshall because of the negative recruiting other college coaches use against PSU w/ regards to it being racist towards black athletes.
I've known several players up there that said it was a racist campus - several.
Some people choose it because it is a beautiful campus and you get a great education.....but I could be wrong
You just cited an example of how it is different than every single other northeastern, mid-atlantic, and Big 10 university. I've never seen a Confederate Flag at any football game north of the Mason Dixon line.
Sorry, you're going to have to take your rose colored glasses off here. The incident rates are way higher.
Google "Penn State racism".
Sampling of race issue stories:
Racial harassment at game:
Hate letters to black players ignored
UPUA diversity chairman racial epitaths
Black student stabbed to death
Black esperience at Penn State:
Racism at PSU:
Black Penn State students demand protection:
Black students find Penn State an uneasy fit
Protest delay start of scrimmage:
No, most Penn State students are not racists. But there have been way more racial problems in recent history at Penn State than almost any other school that I can think of in the north. Sorry, that is the truth.
This video details the events experienced by Black students at Penn State from 1999-2001 including death threat to students and football players as well as the unsolved murder of a black man. This video was created by students of the Penn State Black Caucus in 2001.
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That is true.
People choose a school for many reasons. Penn State has many excellent programs and its setting is a classic rural campus that appeals to many.
But there are historical and contemporary realities here. What I refuse to let happen is a whitewashing (no pun intended) of Penn State which has gone on for far too long, obviously with more than just race, with disastrous consequences.
If you don't examine the problems, if PR and image trump everything, then issues never get rectified. To be fair, Penn State has implemented several programs to improve the racial situation there, so I have no doubt that it has improved over the recent years. The problem, though, extends beyond the institutions parameters. The region itself has issues, which undoubtedly leaks back into the university. And Pittsburgh area has issues too, all places do, but they aren't at the same level in my experience having lived extensively in both areas.
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No, you just have an obsessive hatred for PSU so you spend all your free time digging up any story that paints PSU in some sort of negative light. I bet if you spent half as much time digging up similar stories from other northern schools(including Pitt), you would see that these kind of incidents happen everywhere.
Nope, sorry, they don't happen with this frequency within the last decade or so at any place that I am familiar with in the North, Mid-atlantic, or West Coast.... I've been in higher ed during this entire period and follow university news quite extensively. It's called reading. Notice, I'm leaving out the South. I'm not going to pretend I'm fond of Penn State, how could anyone be if you actually are familiar with the university instead of just the PR, but there is a difference between truth and image; a reality that you unfortunate cult gobblers still haven't had the balls to wrap your assimilated noggins around. Do you need link back to your head-in-sand burring message board? I can provide it for you. There you can all sing kumbaya and safely blame every negative word bandied about your irreproachable institution on hate-filled Pitt fans.
I'm not saying racism doesn't happen have PSU, I have heard stories from others. I wanna say that I am black and a Penn State alum. I never had any issues while I was a student there. Again I'm not saying that it hasn't happened just saying from a personal standpoint.
In related news, I've never been attacked by a criminal in South Oakland.
Kijana: One doesn't have to dig them up. They're sprouting out of the ground all over the God forsaken place. Take off your sombrero and see the truth.
There was a diversity issue at PSU a decade ago, but this has been addressed. Currently, PSU is ranked 12th in the nation for international students and that number continues to rise. Ironically, Pitt now has a higher percentage of white students in there enrollment.
It's not the # of minorities that matters. Rather, how they're treated.
They are treated just as well as any other large university in the country. Just because you don,t think that is true doesn't mean that it isn't.
Yes, that's why a Hispanic group has to demonstrate.
It wasn't a Hispanic group, it was mostly white students. Regardless, you have a minority PSU alum on here telling you that his experience was fine and you just totally ignore that point. Sadly, racism persists throughout the country, but to say it is more prevelant at PSU than other universities is just wrong.
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