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Got into a disagreement with a friend who's a big Pens fan....he thinks hockey's better than college hoops...I think the opposite.
After watching the exciting ending to that Butler-Gonzaga game, which was very March Madness like with the turnover in <5 seconds & buzzer beater ...I'm even more convinced that there is no comparison.
Hockey...hardly anyone missed the game with that lockout, except for the diehard Pens fans around the city... and Canadians.
Meanwhile, everyone in America plays their March Madness brackets in the office pool, including Helga in Accounting.
I can already predict that PHPanther will say that hockey is better...and I guess that Owtahear/Recruits/WeRNotTheirRival is on the fence...probably would lean towards hockey.
This post was edited by BurghGuy68 18 months ago
I'd say hockey. Most college hoops games are bad and I generally find the slower paced college games difficult to watch. Especially games with teams like Butler, Pitt, or Wisconsin.
I like both and what I'd prefer watching depends on the game. It's usually college basketball but the fact hockey is so physical and there is fighting do give it something basketball doesn't have. I can see people going with either choice.
I Love both but hockey is better to watch when your team isn't playing.
The problem with hockey is that it is a horrible sport to watch on TV. Not knowing where the puck is 25% of the time really ruins the experience of watching the game. Give me a good NCAA basketball game anytime over any hockey game, including the Pens.
That is just me though.
You don't have to really watch a college basketball game until the final 5 minutes. Hockey is exciting from beginning to end. Hockey will always win against basketball.
For what it's worth, I would rank my sporting preferences as follows (I am well aware I am an outlier
5: College hoops
I left off college football hecause I stopped watching non-Pitt games this year.
wow the fact this is even a discussion troubles me. College hoops by FAR. I have tried many a times but i just cannot enjoy watching hockey. Playoff hockey can be ok but right now its awful. The only reason i watched the game yesterday was because i was over a buddy's house whos a pens fan and i just took to twitter to troll all of the hockey fans talking about the pens.
1. college hoops/college football
My list is the same as yours.
The reason I got into the disagreement with my Pitt football tailgating buddy was that my Facebook wall was flooded with Pens stuff yesterday...and then he posted "it's a great day for hockey" - to which I replied "it's a great day for Pitt-UConn hoops" (or something like that).
Like I said, if you travel outside the sphere of Pittsburgh media, you won't even know that NHL hockey exists. But here in Pgh, the media floods you with Pens stuff non-stop.
true. To be honest, if it werent for all the people who would have been out of jobs i would have been happy if they didnt have an nhl season this year.
Yeah exactly. I just didn't like that it cost our city millions of dollars with this lockout. Otherwise I was enjoying the non-Pens talk on the radio here in Pgh.
Even still, the "Pitt Flagship" 93.7 FM The Fan, still never talked about Pitt hoops or football with no NHL and Steelers out of the playoffs. Go figure.
I couldn't agree more. The most pitt talk they air is having paul chryst on for 5 minutes at 9 am when nobody can listen because they have work or school then as soon as chryst is done they go back to talking about the important things like "breaking news: sidney crosby had waffles for breakfast today! Instant reaction for the next three hours"
The fact that the Pens and Steelers both recently won championships probably plays a part, yeah?
that really doesnt change anything. They talk topics to get more listeners. sadly, there arent many pitt fans because nobody has pride in the home school and such
It depends when and where you grew up.
As a kid we played hockey on the local creek when it was frozen. Our puck was a can that we smashed. We knew nothing about the rules. So I guess we played our version of hockey.
Our main sports were football and baseball. Then came basketball.
For me hockey isn't close to basketball.
It's different. Doesn't make one better than another. I too watched and completely enjoyed the Butler/Gonzaga game. Fantastic game, fantastic atmosphere. Sorry though, that is not as representatitve of college basketball as the corporate one and done entity like Kentucky. That game last night was special.
As for hockey, it kills me that Pitt fans cannot understand nor are they willing to admit that hockey is big time here. Sorry, it is. It is second to only the Steelers, and there is a far greater gap between the Pens and the 3rd most popular team (Pitt isn't this either) than the Steelers and Pitt.
Hockey is big here. No other sport has seen the growth in participation. We are just at the beginning. So I apologize if you are too simple to understand the game. I can tell you this, March Madness doesn't hold a candle to the the Stanley Cup playoffs. It is a war. drawn out over 2 months, a game every other night, especially if it is a series like Pens/Flyers or Pens/Caps. The ebb and flow, the emotions high and low, it is exhausting as a fan, let alone player.
I love hoops. Love it. But also, if any of you ever played hockey, you would understand. It is just a frigging blast.
This really annoys me. I turn on the FAN going to and from work, and I would have expected that I would here some PItt talk at least...instead, I here Steeler's off season talk and NHL talk. I am consistently shocked at the lack of coverage Pitt gets on it's own station.
One reason I have grown to dislike hockey is the Pittsburgh fanbase. 8 years ago, no one gave a damn in this city about hockey. the Penguins had the lowest attendance in the league. However, now that the team wins, we have the "best hockey fans in the country!"
Two, the NHL playoffs blow. Any playoff that last two months, including the NBA, is just far too long. When hockey is being played in mid june, that is a problem.
As far as comparing it to march madness, your opinion is in the minority. Nationwide, far, far, far more people care about the tourney than the NHL playoffs, and I would say it is far more exciting. A one and done tournament with upset, great finishes, etc. I honestly believe that the NCAA basketball playoff system is the best.
Do people care about March Madness, or do they enjoy filling out brackets? There's a difference.
Not really actually. Either way, they follow it much more than the NHL playoffs. I know that there have been studies done about the first two days of the tourney, and that productivity losses usually approach 200 million dollars. I also know that many people skip out on work that day...me included.
LOL...that's a completely false picture you are painting of Pittsburgh as a hockey town. Let's be honest...and understand what was happening. The Pens sold off their players, making them look like another LOSER in town (the Pirates) combined with the same time of the NHL sucking (soccer on ice) combined with the fact that it looked like the Pens were leaving so no one wanted to invest emotional, let alone financial capital to the team.
Sorry...that was the reason for the low attendance.
Amazing for such a small, niche sport, that "no one cares about" that they completely dward Pitt FB and BB ratings (combined) locally and the FAN (flagship station) cannot carry even a 15 minute segment on the radio whereas the Pens can carry entire days.
Jealousy sucks. I know alot of Pitt fans hate on the Pens and Steelers. Hey, it is not their fault that those franchises are successful, bring joy and pride to their fans where Pitt sports bring the same pride and joy to their "fans" as does the University of Minnesota. I mean, let's face it as a program, Pitt sports dwarfs Penn State and WVU.
In Pittsburgh, its not even close. Hockey blows college hoops away by a long shot. I know Pitt hoops doesn't sell out their non-conference games, do they even sell out for games agaisnt Seton Hall etc? If they can't get 12,500 for lets say 8-10 games a year, how can they compare popularity wise to a sport that sells out 18,000 41 nights a season with a ticket price that is probably at least TRIPLE what a hoops ticket costs.
Even in the Penguins WORST years, they still averaged 11,900 a game. It's kinda tough to get behind a bankrupt team that just sold away a top 10 player in NHL history for Chris Beach, Ross Lupachuk and and Michael Sivek and also Alexi Kovalev for Ricco Fata and $4 million. I still went to games, but it was tough to shell out that kind of money for it.
On a national scene? I would probably say the NHL still has the edge, but not as great as it is in Pittsburgh. I actually was suprised to hear how many fans went to the Philly practice and also how they sold out 20k for a college game there as well. Fans across the country really missed their hockey and attendance across the country yesterday was great. Attendance has been on the rise the past 5 years or so, which has also lead to a larger revenue for all teams and an increased salary cap every year. The Stanley Cup is the hardest trophy to win and pretty much regarded as the hardest championship to win.
I'm actually looking forward to see what the TV ratings are tonight for Pittsburgh with the Pens/Rangers game going head-to-head with the Ravens/Patriots game. Pretty sure you all know which one i'll be watching
Looking for 2003-2004 NHL attendance numbers? You've come to the right place.
And that is because....BB is more popular than hockey nation wide. It is not even close. Obviously. Unfortunately in the 724/412, that is not the case.
College basketball does not even touch hockey. It's really not even close. For starters, maybe 1% of college basketball players end up being professionals whereas every NHL player is a professional. So, right off the bat, the level of skill isn't even close.
Secondly, and this is what I said in my other post in this thread, 90% of a basketball game is irrelevant. Take that Gonzaga vs Butler game last night, you could have tuned in for the last two minutes and seen all that you needed to see. Hockey is exciting from start to finish. Every hit matters. Every shot matters. Every save matters. The game winning goal could happen in the first minute, the thirtieth minute, or the final moment. You never know, which why it's compelling and exciting in it's entirety. Plus, in college basketball the last two minutes are often nothing but fouling, which totally changes the purpose of the game.
Finally, the atmospheres aren't really comparable either. NBA games are a snooze fest, that's why they need to play music and have emcees talking during play, let me repeat that DURING PLAY, to get the crowd fired up. College hoops is a little better because of student sections, but I've been to plenty of boring games at the Pete. Hockey crowds are consistently more engaged. I'm not saying I've never been to a hockey game that didn't hold my interest, but anybody who has attended a reasonable sample size of both would tell you that hockey hands down has a better atmosphere.
So, yeah hockey wins by a landslide, and that's coming from a guy who's a fan of both.
This post was edited by Vedderman87 18 months ago
i assume thats directed towards me
This post was edited by Shady1 18 months ago
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