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Sam Werner reports in today's P-G Red Shirt Diaries:"
"One thing I have heard from several sources is that money was not an issue for why Chryst chose not to make an outside hire. If it had worked with the right guy, he would've been able to make the hire.
Chryst did have contact with Teryl Austin and Jim Tomsula, both guys who were coaching in the Super Bowl, but it’s my understanding that neither of those talks advanced as far as a formal interview."
So - money actually was available to make a better hire but the coaches Chryst reached out to who had PITT/PGH ties didn't even want to do a formal interview? What does that tell you?
It says to me that the more viable candidates looked at the current state of the PITT football program and said "Thanks but No Thanks"
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by rkohberger 14 months ago
they see pitt for what it is. anybody on here who thought either tomsula or austin would downgrade to pitts defensive coordinator was kidding themselves and ive said so for a while. however, if money wasnt an issue ((and i think thats relative to pitt--money isnt an issue to pitt is not the same as money isnt an issue for alabama)) and chryst didnt hire a more qualified candidate then that raises some serious concerns for me. I really like chryst and i think he will improve pitts program but this hire gets a grade of about a D for me. I believe, however, i will have to make this a signature in all of my posts on the matter---
DISCLAIMER: We do NOT know whether House will be a failure. We do NOT know whether he will be a success. Give the man a chance and continue to support pitts program even though it becomes increasingly hard to do so.
It tells me that Pitt is in damage control mode, or these guys are a bunch of freaking morons for not finding that out in December.
I like Matt House and will be rooting for him. Since he was offered the job, who can blame him for taking it, advancing his career, and having confidence in himself? I would like to think no one. However, Pitt did not go all out to fill the position.
Let's get another receiver to "Foster the People" like AB!
An insider on TOS-r said that both Tomsula and Austin were interested but were asking for in excess of $600-700K+. Ridiculous amounts considering Tomsula was never a DC and Austin was for only 1 year. A bad year for Florida at that. And they wanted incentive packages. Austin was interviewed. Don't know if Tomsula was but since we know his demands, he probably was.
This post was edited by bio79 14 months ago
OK, fine. Take the money you were gonna pay them 400-500K and up every coaches salary (esp Engram) so that they don't get poached when we have a solid year in 2013. Our staff budget is still a joke and needs to increase.
I would assume that House got that $400K.
1500 season tickets covers the delta between House and either Tomsula or Austin. Think about it.
Instead of trumpeting a hire that everyone is happy with, EJ has to go into damage control because the fanbase is flabbergasted.
I posed a question on 2 message boards and still haven't seen one person respond affirmatively. Who was advocating House for DC 6-8 weeks ago?
It's certainly not House's fault. Of course he should put his name in the hat and try to get the job.
We know House can coach db's. We have a guy with 30+ years coaching experience handling the lb's and DE's.We have an LT who can eat Olinemen RB's and Qb's for breakfast.
P.S. No one was doing handstands with the hire of Majors in 1973. Terry Bradshaw was given a collective ugh by the Burgh sports populace when he was taken with the Steelers #1. La. Tech??? No one in the 70's had ever seen them on tv and when Bradshaw opened his mouth he was universally declared an absolute moron.
Keep the faith and give House a chance.
I'm going to support Pitt no matter what but not for a second do I believe that we didn't end up with House because it's was a hell of a lot cheaper. You get what you pay for... and Pitt has no idea what they are getting because he was never a coordinator before.
Why do people think it is an effective debate tool to cite one or two examples of someone lacking the requisite experience yet turning out well?
By citing one or two examples as exceptions, you're essentially conceding the real issue: People who lack the experience *generally* fail to handle the job.
In other words, we're taking a risk that was *unnecessary*.
PS: And, I'm not equating House's TOTAL lack of experience to Majors or anyone else. If someone can find me an example of someone getting hired at the DC position with less experience than House, I'd be awfully surprised.
Does anyone here who has been a fan of Pitt athletics for more than 15 minutes and has ever heard anything about Steve Pederson truly believe PC had a blank check?
Sal Sunseri ,just got 800G a year from Tenn. to be their D.C. Google Sal's Tenn. story. Sal is now as fat as a house. The Vols draw 100,000. We draw 30,000. Where's the money supposed to come from?
The again, the B.O.T., who I would assume is composed of business people, should know you have to spend money to get money.
if that were true, then the board would have canned stevie p years ago for essentially flushing down $600k/yr for no reason at all....horrible management and nordy is the leader so the buck stops with him.
1500 more season tix Kayser, that's what it would take. Maybe the easiest business case I would ever put together.
As the saying goes "when they say its not about the money you can be sure it was about the money". I
A "Real PITT MAN"............get off my porch!
So why haven't the powers that be located these 1500 people? Gibsonia: Seriously, make your point to Nordy, get on the payroll and make your business case.
This is what I was essentially told. I didn't hear anything about Tomsula but I heard there was mutual interest between Austin and PITT but it was highly unlikely to happen. Whether it was money, contract issues, coaches already on staff, etc - I don't know. But, I believe Teryl probably wanted to get paid his worth at the minimum.
You can look at things a few ways. But, If I have coached at Michigan, Florida, NFL, etc and I want to be a coordinator at a lower level school, that school is going to have to pay my minimum worth. Secondly, if I'm a school and I realize I can't bring in Bama/Texas/Florida type talent and I really want to compete for league/BCS games, I need to counteract this by having the best coaches possible. Sure, you can't have a Bama staff where the poorest guy makes like 300k, but I at least need a few elite type coaches to have a trickle down effect to the rest of the coaches.
Good points steel.
Please list the athletic departments that issue blank checks.
Wasn't making the point that other schools have a blank check. The OP said money was not an issue. The point is if that was the case does anyone think PC wouldn't have pulled the trigger on Austin? I think it is reasonable to infer that SP made money an issue and PC had to act within a very tight budget. Otherwise, you're saying PC thought after an evaluation of all the candidates that House was the best qualified candidate and also, coincidently, the cheapest? Not a chance.
And I would suggest that Texas, Bama, USC, OSU, Oklahoma, and now maybe Oregon have very close to what most would consider a "blank check" when it comes to improving their FB program. Never read a report out of any of those camps where a hire wasn't made because of the candidate's salary demands.
This post was edited by pitttothetop219 14 months ago
Still have a tough time believing a big name DC would sell more than 100 season tickets. Offense is attractive to potential buyers. Defense? Meh.
That's not reasonable to infer at all given the information provided by Sam Werner and others. He's flat out saying you are incorrect.
If you want to make up stuff to fit your narrative, fine, you'll have plenty of company on these sorts of message boards.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by CrazyPaco 14 months ago
So where did Sam get his information from? Who is the source? If it were money. Do you really think anyone in the Ad is going to tell Sam? Or the coaching staff? Without a source it's difficult to judge the veracity I'd the info. It's not like reporters have not been wrong before.
People take the info available and draw conclusions based on that info. That's what message bairds mostly are about. Pitts has and a track record of being cheap when it comes to football. It's rather hard to believe hat suddenly they are going to throw a round cash when they hired the staff in a budget.
Sam may weep be right but its a bit disingenuous to mock others for finding his info hard to bekie and thinking he was being fed this info by he ad to spin the story
No one said that SP was waving a blank check around. I posted that article as a discussion starter and with a opinion at the end of the post.
But ask yourselves this. Why do PITT fans determine that a beat reporter with better insider PITT contacts than any of us on here have has less credibility then does a vacuous rumor that SP must have held up any DC hires due to money issues?
Talk about believing what you want to believe. Nobody has to blindly believe everything that is written in the media but we have lots of posters on here who will disregard this article for the sole reason it doesn't fit in with their thoughts on the AD position.
But look at just who Chryst is hiring to fill the key positions on his staff. They are all people he is the most comfortable with and have, basically, zero risk factor involved. I mean, has anyone ever heard of a GA being actually assigned as a non-paid position coach?
It isn't like DBs are unimportant players on the defense - one mistake by them means six points for the bad guys. I could see a GA having the responsibility for punters/kickers or something but DBs?
Sorry if I'm skeptical about these hiring practices but they have been 100% underwhelming since Paul Chryst was hired and I don't think it is reasonable to put all of it directly on the AD's shoulders as some fans do.
At some point you have to look at the operational big picture starting with the HC and wonder if the more established DC candidates are thinking they don't want to be part of it. Seriously - if you were asked about being the DC at PITT and heard that a volunteer coach has been given responsibility for the defensive backfield by the head coach would you sign on to have that under your authority?
Paco - a serious question.
Do you honestly believe that the PITT football program has only had a 30 year string of bad luck? That the results we all see on the field are diametrically opposed to the wonderful efforts of the PITT administration? No cause and effect going on here?
Man, if so then we are the most snake bitten university on God's green earth.
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