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BIG STATEMENT: Alvarez on Chryst "Paul is going to stay at Pitt"

  • I will thank anyone and everyone involved in keeping him here. It is especially a great morning because my PSU and WVU friends were on my case about how Pitt was going to lose Chryst and how they would swoop in and take all of our recruits.

    Poonugget

  • PhPanther1 said...

    This far into the thread, and not 1 person has thanked Armand yet?

    BG can handle that for us.

    Phaser

  • Ya BG, have your boys cut his grass and shine his Rock Panther!

    PhPanther1

  • PhPanther1 said...

    This far into the thread, and not 1 person has thanked Armand yet?

    He deserves a lot of recognition for his tangible support of Pitt Athletics.

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    CrazyPaco

  • CrazyPaco said...

    How much more successful could Sherrill have been than Johnny Majors, given the state of the program, facilities, admin support, and what he ended up actually accomplishing at Mississippi State (.500 and 4 years of NCAA probation)? I'm not sure Sherrill, or perhaps anyone, could have made that much of a significant difference at Pitt in 1993.

    Pitt wasn't going to touch him with his NCAA baggage anyway, so the point was moot. Although, I know he did have interest, or at least liked the attention.

    Funny story, this is when I was a manager with the basketball team, on the road some of the other basketball team managers used to drunk dial Jackie during this period and essentially sweet talk him about coming to Pitt. He seemed to love it, actually.

    Sherrill II would have been a stark contrast to what Majors II was. Majors was past his prime and drinking quite a lot. Jackie went to MS St and won! He went 7-5 in the first year when they did not have a winning season in 10 years. Then in 1999 went 10-2, after an 8-5 season and an SEC west title in 1998.

    Sherrill was signed, sealed and delivered and O'Conner would not sign off on the hire because of the bull castration at the pep rally.

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    GhostOfPitt4014

  • -- Wisconsin and Alvarez have more control over Pitt's football program than SP and Nordy do .. they are dictating to us who coaches our team .. what a disgrace

    -- I'd rather have a new coach than a coach-in-waiting .. so who is Wisconsin going to hire? If Alvarez takes over then how do you recruit with Chryst being a lame duck? .. meanwhile, wisconsin would still be piloting our ship

    Pitt0008mmd

  • Pitt0008mmd said...

    -- Wisconsin and Alvarez have more control over Pitt's football program than SP and Nordy do .. they are dictating to us who coaches our team .. what a disgrace

    -- I'd rather have a new coach than a coach-in-waiting .. so who is Wisconsin going to hire? If Alvarez takes over then how do you recruit with Chryst being a lame duck? .. meanwhile, wisconsin would still be piloting our ship

    Barry is not going to coach Wiscy past the Rose Bowl. He's already stated that.

    Chryst is not their coach in waiting.

    It's over. Chryst is at Pitt for the foreseeable future.

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    CrazyPaco

  • If true .. then hoorah.

    I'm a Pitt fan. I ain't heard any fat ladies singing just yet.

    Pitt0008mmd

  • GhostOfPitt#40 said...

    Sherrill II would have been a stark contrast to what Majors II was. Majors was past his prime and drinking quite a lot. Jackie went to MS St and won! He went 7-5 in the first year when they did not have a winning season in 10 years. Then in 1999 went 10-2, after an 8-5 season and an SEC west title in 1998.

    Sherrill was signed, sealed and delivered and O'Conner would not sign off on the hire because of the bull castration at the pep rally.

    Possibly, but then you still have a lot of issues at Pitt then that would have kept many from winning.

    Majors recruited fairly decently too. I remember one of his classes being ranked in the top 25 back then.

    Jackie sure did resurrect MSU but was moderately successful overall. His last three seasons he won only 8 games. And he left them with probation, just like A&M.

    I mean, yeah, it is easy to say anything could have been better than Majors II, but the program was in such bad shape when Majors got on board, in so many ways, I have a hard time believing someone could do significantly better. O'Conner, Bozik, Jaynes. I have a hard time seeing much good coming from that even with Sherrill.

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    CrazyPaco

  • Pitt0008mmd said...

    If true .. then hoorah.

    I'm a Pitt fan. I ain't heard any fat ladies singing just yet.

    It depends what you want the fat lady to sing for. We're still 6-6 and headed to Birmingham. But we have a coach for a few years. Let's hope we see reason, and patience, to try to keep him longer than most.

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    CrazyPaco

  • I want to see someone hired at WIsconsin and then i'll be satisfied.

    Pitt0008mmd

  • CrazyPaco said...

    Possibly, but then you still have a lot of issues at Pitt then that would have kept many from winning.

    Majors recruited fairly decently too. I remember one of his classes being ranked in the top 25 back then.

    Jackie sure did resurrect MSU but was moderately successful overall. His last three seasons he won only 8 games. And he left them with probation, just like A&M.

    I mean, yeah, it is easy to say anything could have been better than Majors II, but the program was in such bad shape when Majors got on board, in so many ways, I have a hard time believing someone could do significantly better. O'Conner, Bozik, Jaynes. I have a hard time seeing much good coming from that even with Sherrill.

    Nobody ever won at MS St to Jackie's level since 1919. The last coach to have a winning record at the school was Darrel Royal in 1955 after only 2 seasons. Think about that.............

    Take away Jackie's last 3 years (when his wife was sick) and he was 75-48 (.640 win%). At a school with zero respect, facilities or character in the SEC. Things at PITT were not worse than they were at MS St in 1992.

    Majors had a top 25 class but half of them quit, transferred or were booted within the first year.

    I have always said, 11-1 on probation is better than 3-8.

    This post was edited by GhostOfPitt4014 on 12/6/2012 at 2:18 PM

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    GhostOfPitt4014

  • GhostOfPitt#40 said...

    Nobody ever won at MS St to Jackie's level since 1919. The last coach to have a winning record at the school was Darrel Royal in 1955 after only 2 seasons. Think about that.............

    Take away Jackie's last 3 years (when his wife was sick) and he was 75-48 (.640 win%). At a school with zero respect, facilities or character in the SEC. Things at PITT were not worse than they were at MS St in 1992.

    Majors had a top 25 class but half of them quit, transferred or were booted within the first year.

    I have always said, 11-1 on probation is better than 3-8.

    Perhaps. We'll never know. Pitt (O'Conner) was never going to hire Sherrill, so it is moot.

    There are dozens of these "what if" scenarios dating back to 1938.

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    CrazyPaco

  • Pitt0008mmd said...

    It's not just the world of college coaches and administration. It's the entire business world which all you extraverts have created. How many "good people" are among us on this board? How many of us have standards and values and beliefs which we hold greater in importance than indulging our selfish ever-changing (in the heat of the moment) wants and desires? The "good" guys .. the think-first, intrinsically motivated guys .. they are not many and they are becoming less.

    ^^^^PetesBorg!!!!!^^^^^

    Johnny Drama

  • Johnny Drama said...

    ^^^^PetesBorg!!!!!^^^^^

    ^^Stop being so dramatic johnny.

    waltspappy

  • petesborg is an interesting fella .. but i am not he.

    Pitt0008mmd

  • Pitt0008mmd said...

    petesborg is an interesting fella .. but i am not he.

    Just busting your stones that's all

    Johnny Drama

  • I have a feeling the buyout helped both sides be honorable

    As I said this ill end up helping PC and Pitt on the recruiting trail

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    A "Real PITT MAN"............get off my porch!

    BigNick80

  • CrazyPaco said...

    Barry is not going to coach Wiscy past the Rose Bowl. He's already stated that.

    Chryst is not their coach in waiting.

    It's over. Chryst is at Pitt for the foreseeable future.

    Unbelievably, someone told me this same thing 2 days ago. The coach in waiting part. As an aside, there's no better judge of talent in that business than Alvarez so the down side risk of Wisky having a need in the next 4 to 5 years is probably not to be expected. Chryst will be focused.

    Could the worm really be turning?

    This post was edited by hauser791 on 12/6/2012 at 7:46 PM

    hauser791

  • CrazyPaco said...

    He deserves a lot of recognition for his tangible support of Pitt Athletics.

    Is there such a thing as intangible support?

    SpiritOf76

  • Pitt0008mmd said...

    It's not just the world of college coaches and administration. It's the entire business world which all you extraverts have created. How many "good people" are among us on this board? How many of us have standards and values and beliefs which we hold greater in importance than indulging our selfish ever-changing (in the heat of the moment) wants and desires? The "good" guys .. the think-first, intrinsically motivated guys .. they are not many and they are becoming less.

    I'll assume you mean extroverts & ask... What the heck does being extroverted have to do with one's values & integrity?

    SpiritOf76

  • SpiritOf76 said...

    Is there such a thing as intangible support?

    Sure, me yammering pro-Pitt on a message board could be considered intangible support of the university.

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    CrazyPaco

  • Extra .. extro .. there are two ways to spell it correctly.

    What does it have to do with values? Everything. Personalities shape peoples' values.

    Integrity is an entirely different animal. It deals with consistency in applying values and avoiding hypocritical self-indulgence. I just happen to think the world has been forced into a model of extraversion where everyone MUST conform and earn extrinsic "rewards" in order to survive and fit in. Instead of picking berries and hunting out of necessity, we do a "job" to make money to buy berries and meat. The "job" and the money can be viewed as a necessity (introverted perspective) or as a source of pride (extraverted .. competitive perspective). Of course, extraverted folks would more than likley turn berry picking into a competition .. so there is that argument for those who want to say the world was doomed from the start. That is if you think competition "dooms" us. I don't believe it does (in its purest form). Without it we wouldn't have a university or a football program. However, this same sense of pride and competition is what leads us to be hypocritical .. and cannibalistic .. selfish .. doomed. Thus, why i said extraverted individuals tend to seek "ever-changing wants and desires." Introverts just want to be .. and more often than not .. be left alone.

    Pitt0008mmd

  • There is an argument for those who consider "integrity" to be an introvert personality trait. It's nothing more than being transparent and honest. It's playing by the rules and being genuine .. hiding nothing. But in the world we've created .. cheating is common and accepted. "Cheating" can mean a lot of things .. deception .. lie of omission .. or breaking a clearly defined rule. For example: issuing a statement of solidarity or commitment .. meanwhile, you secretly are undecided. That's disingenuous and a form of "cheating" or displays a lack of integrity. But how many of you would like Chryst to say "i'm undecided" .. ?

    Truly introverted individuals .. intrinsically motivated .. don't seek to deceive because they value honesty above winning. In fact .. winning doesn't even exist to them. And at the other end of the spectrum .. well .. you get Lance Armstrong and Sammy Sosa and Bobby Petrino and Joe Paterno. Maybe what we want is something in the middle .. or slightly to the right side. We certainly don't want a choir boy for a coach .. but how far "right" do you go? Hey .. Chryst ain't Christ. You can't be too wonderful if you get that far up the ladder. That's why statues are so bad.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Pitt0008mmd on 12/7/2012 at 12:56 AM

    Pitt0008mmd

  • Pitt0008mmd said...

    There is an argument for those who consider "integrity" to be an introvert personality trait. It's nothing more than being transparent and honest. It's playing by the rules and being genuine .. hiding nothing. But in the world we've created .. cheating is common and accepted. "Cheating" can mean a lot of things .. deception .. lie of omission .. or breaking a clearly defined rule. For example: issuing a statement of solidarity or commitment .. meanwhile, you secretly are undecided. That's disingenuous and a form of "cheating" or displays a lack of integrity. But how many of you would like Chryst to say "i'm undecided" .. ?

    Truly introverted individuals .. intrinsically motivated .. don't seek to deceive because they value honesty above winning. In fact .. winning doesn't even exist to them. And at the other end of the spectrum .. well .. you get Lance Armstrong and Sammy Sosa and Bobby Petrino and Joe Paterno. Maybe what we want is something in the middle .. or slightly to the right side. We certainly don't want a choir boy for a coach .. but how far "right" do you go? Hey .. Chryst ain't Christ. You can't be too wonderful if you get that far up the ladder. That's why statues are so bad.

    That's not the definition of introvert. And introversion ans integrity have never been shown correlated. There are reams of psychological research in this area. Go look up "big 5" or "five factor model" of personality to get you started.

    Blankstare01

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