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Article on B1G Network getting into NY & Balt/DC

  • I hope the cable giants tell them to shove it. With so little market interest, they should not be allowed to cash in. This could lower each teams total cut with 2 extra mouths to feed.

    This post was edited by GhostOfPitt4014 on 12/10/2012 at 8:59 AM

    New TV markets to test Big Ten - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/psu/new-tv-markets-to-test-big-ten-665701/

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  • Well you see, especially in the NYC markets, they don't suffer fools. If the YES Network struggled to gain acceptance by some of the cable outlets up there, the BTN has ZERO chance to gain access to the upper tiers.

    This is why I think it was a desperate, stupid, almost vindictive move by Delany.

    owtahear

  • owtahear said...

    Well you see, especially in the NYC markets, they don't suffer fools. If the YES Network struggled to gain acceptance by some of the cable outlets up there, the BTN has ZERO chance to gain access to the upper tiers.

    This is why I think it was a desperate, stupid, almost vindictive move by Delany.

    I think you are spot on.

    Delaney threw out lofty numbers to MD to lure them. Rutgers was coming if they were offered half what the others get, but MD's decision was purely financial. If they can't get the B1G on first tier, that puts a big crunch on those numbers with 2 more mouths to feed.

    If this backfires on Delaney, them PSU is ripe for the picking if the ACC wants.

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  • Without addressing the issue directly, the article gives the basic outline of how the BTN could survive/prosper in a world of a la carte cable. If Fox bundles the BTN with the YES, telling subscribers that the only way they can get the YES (which is in high demand in the NY area) is to also buy the BTN, then the BTN will get their revenue. I am wrong here?

    SpiritOf76

  • SpiritOf76 said...

    Without addressing the issue directly, the article gives the basic outline of how the BTN could survive/prosper in a world of a la carte cable. If Fox bundles the BTN with the YES, telling subscribers that the only way they can get the YES (which is in high demand in the NY area) is to also buy the BTN, then the BTN will get their revenue. I am wrong here?

    Nope, I think that is the BTN's only play. Is that smart for Fox in the long run though? Who knows.

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    CrazyPaco

  • SpiritOf76 said...

    Without addressing the issue directly, the article gives the basic outline of how the BTN could survive/prosper in a world of a la carte cable. If Fox bundles the BTN with the YES, telling subscribers that the only way they can get the YES (which is in high demand in the NY area) is to also buy the BTN, then the BTN will get their revenue. I am wrong here?

    YES got a fight for their most popular team's network and there was a delay in getting it on the cable lineup. Now they want to ask people to pay more for something that that they don't want?

    It could happen, but I hope they push back and it blows up in Delaney's face.

    With the streaming internet stuff coming, a lot of younger people aren't buying cable because of the price. If you get internet from a phone company, you can completely circumvented the cable company and then you buy a DVD player or TV with NetFlix software and who needs HBO? The cable companies have to loosen up and offer a la carte or the Feds could get involved because it's a virtual monopoly right now.

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  • GhostOfPitt#40 said...

    YES got a fight for their most popular team's network and there was a delay in getting it on the cable lineup. Now they want to ask people to pay more for something that that they don't want?

    It could happen, but I hope they push back and it blows up in Delaney's face.

    With the streaming internet stuff coming, a lot of younger people aren't buying cable because of the price. If you get internet from a phone company, you can completely circumvented the cable company and then you buy a DVD player or TV with NetFlix software and who needs HBO? The cable companies have to loosen up and offer a la carte or the Feds could get involved because it's a virtual monopoly right now.

    I don't think the Feds get involved. It's been a monopoly for 30+ years.

    I think there is going to be a natural transition to more a la carte programing though that is going to be driven mainly by technological innovations.

    Apple is coming out with a TV sometime in the not so different future. I'm not willing to bet against them, and if their track record says anything, its going to help change the content distribution model just like they have for music and software.

    I believe ESPN is on top of it with ESPN3 and WatchESPN. ESPN3 has to be subscribed to by internet providers. Either a la cart takes off ala iTunes breaking the album model of distribution or internet providers will be the new bundlers of channels.

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  • My advisor in undergrad was part of a group that was beta testing a new TV from Apple over a year ago. It was like a giant cell phone where you loaded stations like they were apps. It was sorta top secret so I kept it to myself but went on TOS telling everyone how ala carte was going to be here in a year or 2. Well, here we are and still no ala carte'. I guess the TV didn't pass the test? It was pretty cool though. He could literally watch any program or event ever televised any time he wanted.

    rfalcone

  • Regarding internet distribution, the catch I see is that you can time-shift just about any programming except live sports. The content providers who have control of those games will still have a good deal of power because viewers aren't willing to time-shift them.On the TV that rfalcone describes, for instance, Fox could force those who want YES to watch the Yankees to also download the BTN & coerce them to pay for both, right? The question, as Paco asks, is could that blow up in their face eventually?

    I would think that ESPN would be safer from that since they offer a variety of sports programming. If ESPN were to create an ACC channel, I would think that they could more easily bundle it among their other sports programming with less objection. Or would it just be better for them to continue with the ESPN3 model?

    SpiritOf76

  • I am a Comcast customer. So I have ESPN3 and I watched the Cuse game on my iphone because I had a wake to attend. So it's already here. Hulu is $7.99/month for my iphone and I can see all TV shows the next day without cable.

    I have a lap top with HDMI outputs and watched PITT/FIU on ESPN3 last year on my 50inch through the laptop. I don't even need ESPN, because those are all on ESPN 3 as well. I watched PITT/ND second half on my iphone through the free NBC app while trick or treating this year. Again, no cable needed, only internet.

    This thing is only going to open up and I have to think that the ACC Network is a possibility. Rather than ESPN3 saying "commercial break" they can sell advertising for those blocks of time when the internet feeds become more popular and this is the revenue stream that ESPN & the ACC can share in.

    I can see the TV listings being like Wii screen with a similar remote that you point and click and it loads internet pages to access uploaded or live streaming content.

    To me, this B1G Network is banking on an almost past system.

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  • rfalcone said...

    My advisor in undergrad was part of a group that was beta testing a new TV from Apple over a year ago. It was like a giant cell phone where you loaded stations like they were apps. It was sorta top secret so I kept it to myself but went on TOS telling everyone how ala carte was going to be here in a year or 2. Well, here we are and still no ala carte'. I guess the TV didn't pass the test? It was pretty cool though. He could literally watch any program or event ever televised any time he wanted.

    I think it could be more of an issue with getting content distributors on board for whatever system Apple is coming up with. It's like the issues they had getting music and then movies on iTunes. It's could dramatically change the eco system so it can really be a struggle to sell that vision.

    Apple is also notorious for waiting until they get something perfect before they release it. They don't necessarily always invent technology, they just make it accessible and usable at an entirely new level.

    It is coming though.

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  • The biggest problem with the Big 10 network is that very few good matchups are shown on it...so if I'm an alum of say UM or OSU living in NYC, most if not all of my team's games will be on ABC/ESPN/ESPN 3

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  • I'm pretty sure TimeWarner was in a dispute with MSG last year and Knicks fans weren't able to see games during the big Linsanity run. If MSG had trouble showing Knicks games on TimeWarner, then how the heck is BTN going to cash in with Rutgers?

    The only time that it's worthwhile to have BTN is on Sunday's during January and February for basketball. Other than that, the programming and games are pathetic.

    rys1324